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8 hours ago, B_RAD said:

forcefull reset?

This was the most difficult thing for me in changing around from th shadow 2 to the legion. I would run the stock trigger return springs in the gun when I do it again.

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The order of preferred trigger feel for me:

Sig Armorer > Grey Guns > Legion > X5   

 

The Sig Armorer trigger job had a sharper/cleaner break.  The grey guns is pretty close but still behind with a more "rounded" break in my amateur opinion.  I have the grey guns on my standard x5.  

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On 10/2/2019 at 4:34 AM, coryf said:

The order of preferred trigger feel for me:

Sig Armorer > Grey Guns > Legion > X5   

 

The Sig Armorer trigger job had a sharper/cleaner break.  The grey guns is pretty close but still behind with a more "rounded" break in my amateur opinion.  I have the grey guns on my standard x5.  

 

So how do you get that type of trigger? 

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As George stated above to get the trigger work done.   

 

I chose the Grey guns because it was less expensive and I didn't have to ship the gun back and forth to sig armorer but for sure I lIked the  armorer trigger better.   I borrowed a x5 from my friend for several matches that had trigger job before buying my own.  

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What kind of turn around time did you guys experience with the Sig Armorer? I was going to pick up a GG trigger kit but ik interested in this option. I like the GG in my standard X5.

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36 minutes ago, af_tt said:

What kind of turn around time did you guys experience with the Sig Armorer? I was going to pick up a GG trigger kit but ik interested in this option. I like the GG in my standard X5.

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3 weeks exactly on my last gun, but that included optic milling and barrel fitting in addition to the trigger job. 

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3 weeks exactly on my last gun, but that included optic milling and barrel fitting in addition to the trigger job. 
Okay should be a bit better with just a trigger. Thanks!

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On 10/3/2019 at 6:35 PM, George16 said:

Contact the Sig armored (Robert Burke) and send your X5 to him so he can do his magic on your trigger.

I can agree that Robert did a phenomenal job. He answers his phone when you call him as well. Superior customer service and the work he does is phenomenal. 

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Hey guys!

 

Sorry for offtopic, but it´s about triggers ;)

 

If i put an apex trigger bar in my stock xfive, would that triggerbar do anything for me, or is it just the over-travel stop that reduces the overall travel?

Is there any difference in the apex bar to the xfive bar ? Otherwise it wouldn´t be worth the money i´m afraid.

 

If i would change the Trigger, should i go with the "AE" Trigger, or the one without "AE" ? Would they both break at 90?

 

edit: Did someone ever combine the apex trigger bar with the GG sear and springs?

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I have the Gray Guns Trigger kit in one of my guns but am still using the OEM Sig trigger. Any benefit or reason to swap it out with the GG Trigger? If performance will be indentical I’ll just leave it alone. 

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Keres trigger adds 1 more lbs to the pull. It does shorten the pre and over travel.
I just put the keres in my new legion (all other trigger parts stock) and notice trigger feels slightly heavier. I don't have a trigger gauge but comparing back and forth it feels ever so slightly heavier. much crisper with nearly all the pre and over travel gone tho. overall a fan and would take the extra (or perceived extra) weight with a crisper trigger than lighter stock trigger pull.

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19 minutes ago, Rolex said:

Its not GG setup but-

Apex, gives me a 5 to 51/4 pull.

Very short take up and reset.

I like the super short movement of the Apex too. It´s still a bit heavy. Have to test the GG, maybe combine it´s sear and springs with the apex bar and trigger.

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3 hours ago, bimmer1980 said:

I like the super short movement of the Apex too. It´s still a bit heavy. Have to test the GG, maybe combine it´s sear and springs with the apex bar and trigger.

Some are getting 2-3 pound triggers.

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3 hours ago, bimmer1980 said:

I like the super short movement of the Apex too. It´s still a bit heavy. Have to test the GG, maybe combine it´s sear and springs with the apex bar and trigger.

I want to hear about this combo....  I am a trigger rider and I struggle with long resets that cause the occasional “trigger freeze” on hoser stages.  Looking forward to picking up my Legion when I get back from this three week work trip.... Of course the first thing I am gonna do is send it in to get the non-LCI barrel :) 

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On 11/9/2019 at 12:46 PM, zhunter said:

I want to hear about this combo....  I am a trigger rider and I struggle with long resets that cause the occasional “trigger freeze” on hoser stages.  Looking forward to picking up my Legion when I get back from this three week work trip.... Of course the first thing I am gonna do is send it in to get the non-LCI barrel  

 

Below are numbers from the "Sig Sauer Guy" on Youtube. Link to the video at the bottom. He made some jigs and modified a grip module so he could take all these measurements. 

 

Personally I went with Robert Burke's Competition trigger job, and although it's not the lightest, the very short trigger travel and lack of creep made a huge difference for me. I'm sure if you requested a specific trigger weight range Robert would let you know if he could achieve it. 

 

EDIT: One thing to note, about the figures below. The model he uses isn't a Legion X5, so most likely there will be some differences e.g. lower pull weight across the board.

 

Sig Sauer Factory Curved

Total travel - .368

Take up - .185

Creep - .110

Over travel - .073

Reset - .200

Weight - 5lbs 7.8oz

Trigger bar pin - .116

TBP height - .635

Shoe length - 1.371

Shoe width - .382

Shoe weight - 10.53 grams

Type MIM

 

Sig Sauer Factory Flat

Total travel - .440

Take up - .195

Creep - .105

Over travel - .140

Reset - .250

Weight - 5lb 1.5oz

Trigger bar pin - .116

TBP height - .612

Shoe length - 1.362

Shoe width - .368

Shoe weight - 11.49 grams

Type - MIM

 

Apex Flat Advanced Trigger (112-026)

Total travel - .360

Take up - .190 Creep - .110

Over travel - .060

Reset - .150

Weight - 5lbs 7.4oz

Trigger bar pin - .114

TBP height - .571

Shoe length - 1.342

Shoe width - .380

Shoe weight - 10.65 grams

Type CNC

 

Apex Flat Forward Set Trigger Kit (112-031)

Total travel - .250

Take up - .115 Creep - .093

Over travel - .042

Reset - .155

Weight - 4lbs 8.3oz

Trigger bar pin - .114

TBP height - .571

Shoe length - 1.342

Shoe width - .380

Shoe weight - 10.65 grams

Type CNC

 

Gray Guns Pelt2 Curved

Total travel - .400

Take up - .185

Creep - .135

Over travel - .080

Reset - .225

Weight - 4lb 14.5oz

Trigger bar pin - .117

TBP height - .534

Shoe length - 1.335

Shoe width - .359

Shoe weight - 8.75 grams

Type - MIM

 

Gray Guns P320ST

Total travel - .405

Take up - .175 Creep - .140

Over travel - .090

Reset - .240

Weight - 4lb 7.2oz

Trigger bar pin - .119

TBP height - .535

Shoe length - 1.363

Shoe width - .358

Shoe weight - 10.21 grams

Type -

 

Gray Guns Competition Kit

Total travel - .310

Take up - .140

Creep - .150

Over travel - .20

Reset - .190

Weight - 3lb 9.2oz

Trigger bar pin - .119

TBP height - .535

Shoe length - 1.363

Shoe width - .358

Shoe weight - 10.21 grams

Type - MIM

 

Sig Armorer Competition Level Action Job

Total travel - .180

Take up - .080 Creep - .080

Over travel - .020

Reset - .100

Weight - 4lbs 10.3oz

Trigger bar pin - .116

TBP height - .624

Shoe length - .1.370

Shoe width - .373

Shoe weight - 10.58 grams

Type - N/A

 

Keres Dynamics Pro Adjustable No Adjustment

Total travel - .400

Take up - .180

Creep - .110

Over travel - .110

Reset - .230

Weight - 4lb 13oz

Trigger bar pin - .112

TBP height - .619

Shoe length - 1.361

Shoe width - .372

Shoe weight - 5.70 grams

Type - CNC

 

Keres Dynamics Pro Adjustable Max Adjustment
Total travel - .185

Take up - .050

Creep - .110

Over travel - .025

Reset - .130

Weight - 4lb 12.5oz

Trigger bar pin - .112

TBP height - .619

Shoe length - 1.361

Shoe width - .372

Shoe weight - 5.70 grams

Type - CNC

 

Apex trigger bar w/ factory flat trigger

Total travel - .300

Take up - .110

Creep - .095

Over travel - .095

Reset - .245

Weight - 4lb 12.2oz

Trigger bar pin - .116

TBP height - .612

Shoe length - 1.362

Shoe width - .368

Shoe weight - 11.49 grams

Type - MIM

 

 

 

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