Running low on TG for my 9mm 147 loads. What other options do you like for competition and suppressed shooting?

[Foxtrotx1]

Any powder out there that is similar in price, cleaner, cooler and just as quiet (or close) with a can? 

 

I use clays for .45 and like it quite a bit. willing to pay a cent or two more a round for a better, smoother/cleaner shooting experience. 

 

I have a couple of bottles of HS6 I never used, but I'm not sure about that for 147 grain. 

[bowenbuilt]

e3, N320, Sport Pistol, American Select, 231 will all do what you want, it just depends on which one you can find.

[Youngeyes]

231 is in stock right now here https://store.thirdgenerationshootingsupply.com/catalog/category/view/s/smokeless-powder/id/8693/?p=4

It's a great powder.

[galt11]

N320 is a great powder and very close to TG and even cleaner burning.  Just much more expensive and harder to find.

 

Adam

[boatdoc173]

bulleye works well. you will probably find titegroup before you find anything else . Hodgdon seems to be in stock at a few places. only  1 offered bullseye in the last few  months  same with N320.

[zzt]

of the powders b suggested the only one I would not use is 231.  I much prefer e3.  Sport Pistol would be next in line, but you have to use more and it generates a little more recoil.  American Select has always been hard to find, even without the powder shortage.  As far as I'm concerned, Sport Pistol is a clone of N320 so there is no reason to spend the extra for VV unless that is all you can find.

[ChuckS]

14 hours ago, Foxtrotx1 said:

Any powder out there that is similar in price, cleaner, cooler and just as quiet (or close) with a can? 

 

I use clays for .45 and like it quite a bit. willing to pay a cent or two more a round for a better, smoother/cleaner shooting experience. 

 

I have a couple of bottles of HS6 I never used, but I'm not sure about that for 147 grain. 

What 147 gr bullet are you using?

[Youngeyes]

TG available now at midway.

[SteelCityShooter]

Midway shows TiteGroup and HP-38 (identical to WW231) and WinClean 244 ( similar to WW231 with a copper fouling cleaner) in stock right now.

[iflyskyhigh]

I’m a big fan of Clean Shot or AA #2 if you can find it

 

It’s replaced both TG and 231 for me. 

Edited August 6, 2021 by iflyskyhigh

[Squirrel45]

5 minutes ago, iflyskyhigh said:

I’m a big fan of Clean Shot or AA #2 if you can find it

 

It’s replaced both TG and 231 for me. 

Yup, #2/DO32-02 is good stuff, in my opinion much under appreciated from what I hear. I was once a TG/WST/BE/RD/231/320 person for fast powder and went to the for mentioned. 

[Lightj75]

I started using TG with summit city bullets 147gr RN but have recently switched to N320 which lived up to the hype it is a wonderful powder for 9 minor If you can find it. I load it under the summit city bullets 147gr FP now because I can load them longer than the RN in my CZ Sp01 and I have not been dissapointed. I have been wanting to get some sport pistol to try though because I've heard good things. 

[Darrell]

Sport Pistol will be my TG replacement once I run out of TG. In my testing it has performs as good as TG and is cleaner. Vectan BA 9.5 is closer to N320 but there is no US distributor currently since Graf's gave up their distributorship. I received 36# of BR-5 from GIBrass recently and currently working up load for it. It is closer to Power Pistol than Unique in burn rate in my testing and has to be loaded to a higher power factor if you looking for accuracy. In my 124 gr JHP my normal 130-132 pf has to be loaded to 138-140 to be as accurate. Still leaves some yellow unburned powder residue though.

[Steve RA]

Try Clays or E3.

[GalloPazzesco]

On 8/4/2021 at 8:24 PM, Foxtrotx1 said:

Any powder out there that is similar in price, cleaner, cooler and just as quiet (or close) with a can? 

 

I use clays for .45 and like it quite a bit. willing to pay a cent or two more a round for a better, smoother/cleaner shooting experience. 

 

I have a couple of bottles of HS6 I never used, but I'm not sure about that for 147 grain. 

 

I switched-over to N320 a long time ago for the benefits already mentioned above.  But for those dedicated loyal Titegroup fans (of which I am as well) Midway has had Titegroup in stock for at least a week now. I like Titegroup for various applications, most notably inexpensive 115gr 9mm plinking loads ... but for your specificly spec'd application (can, cleaner, cooler, quiet) I am willing to spend extra on the N320.  I load subsonic 147 Speer-V exclusively for my canned SIG loads (P226 and a couple of P320 variants through a couple of different cans) and you're not going to find a better propellant for those sort of applications than N320.  And I've tried them all.  

 

This is my first post as a guest, I'll register immediately afterwards as Gallo Pazzesco.  N320 is hard to beat.

 

ETA:  I just received email notification that Midsouth has Titegroup and 1680 in stock right now as well.  Midway has N320 and somewhere else I saw recently has N320. I buy N320 by the keg and it is worth every penny. 

Edited August 8, 2021 by GalloPazzesco
ETA explained above.

[BigMoneyGrip]

I switched from Titegroup to Sport Pistol. The Sport Pistol is cleaner and MUCH cooler. 100 rounds of Sport Pistol isn't nearly as hot as 50 rounds of Titegroup. 

[usmc1974]

I like greendot. Shoots clean and very low recoil. Just a thought

 

[Hammerman]

Universal powder works pretty good.  It's a little on the slow end of the burn rate, but I like it.  It burns clean.

[njl]

On 8/9/2021 at 5:48 PM, Hammerman said:

Universal powder works pretty good.  It's a little on the slow end of the burn rate, but I like it.  It burns clean.

Burns clean if you use enough of it.  If you try going too low, it doesn't even completely burn up.

Honestly, 147gr minor loads, you can make nearly anything work.  I've used as fast as Titegroup and Promo and as slow as Universal and Longshot.  I've shot thousands of 147s over Universal and Promo, and really only prefer Promo because it's cheaper and a bit more versatile for making soft shooting loads.

[limitedgun]

This is E3 with 135 GR Acme just this week. I get very similar results in 40 and 45 Major. Great all around powder.

9mm

3.15 E3 1.100

Digital Link

CZ75 Beater

Temperature: 85F

Pressure: 30.0 in Hg

Bullet Weight: 135

Power Factor Average: 132

Power Factor Low: 130

Power Factor High: 134

Number of Shots: 10

Minimum: 965

Maximum: 997

Spread: 32

Average: 978

Standard Deviation: 9

# Velocity Ft/lbs

Power Factor

Date 10 971 282.60 131 8/10/21, 11:08 AM 9 978 286.69 132 8/10/21, 11:08 AM 8 978 286.69 132 8/10/21, 11:08 AM 7 985 290.81 132 8/10/21, 11:08 AM 6 997 297.94 134 8/10/21, 11:08 AM 5 965 279.12 130 8/10/21, 11:08 AM 4 987 291.99 133 8/10/21, 11:08 AM 3 975 284.94 131 8/10/21, 11:08 AM 2 976 285.52 131 8/10/21, 11:08 AM 1 973 283.77 131 8/10/21, 11:08 AM

9mm-315-e3-1100.pdf

[Sinister4]

American select works really well, i'm using up a 8 lb jug leftover from trapshooting days.  Start at  3.2gr with 147 fmj   

 

Edited September 11, 2021 by Sinister4

[ohsevenflhx]

I'm using 2.8 E3 with 147 RMR Matchwinner flat point for 130 PF 1.120 OAL CCI small rifle primer. Very accurate and clean. 

 

[Farmer]

On 9/21/2021 at 6:15 AM, ohsevenflhx said:

I'm using 2.8 E3 with 147 RMR Matchwinner flat point for 130 PF 1.120 OAL CCI small rifle primer. Very accurate and clean. 

 

I just tried this with 147 blues @ 1.125-1.130 and WSP, ended up with 133 PF and excellent accuracy. Don’t have to look any further, Thanks. 

[OnePivot]

What do people like about TG? I've gotta be missing something. It's the only powder that gets brass hot enough to burn my fingers picking it up off the ground. Glock brass to the face with tg once or twice is enough to make me move on! It shot ok, but there's so many downsides. 

 

I've been enjoying 244 in 9mm. It's economical, meters great, shoots soft, and recoils pretty flat. Only major downside is it's bad in low pressure rounds, so no 38spl or 45acp (despite data being available). 

[ysrracer]

5 hours ago, OnePivot said:

What do people like about TG? I've gotta be missing something. It's the only powder that gets brass hot enough to burn my fingers picking it up off the ground. Glock brass to the face with tg once or twice is enough to make me move on! It shot ok, but there's so many downsides. 

 

I've been enjoying 244 in 9mm. It's economical, meters great, shoots soft, and recoils pretty flat. Only major downside is it's bad in low pressure rounds, so no 38spl or 45acp (despite data being available). 

 

I found titegroup to be dirty in my revolver.

 

What happens to .38's loaded with 244?