yekcoh Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 (edited) I'm probably gonna receive hate for this... Let me preface that we are in a free country and anyone should be allowed to smoke whatever they want, without disturbing others, of course. I think burning/smoking cigarettes and cigars at matches or in an active bay should be banned. I'd like to think that USPSA/IPSC (action pistol) is a legitimate sport with real athletes requiring agility and high physical performance. I cannot be the only person to think that cig smoke impedes 100% focus before and during the run. When there is no wind, the smoke just stays in the bay, sometimes making others difficult to breathe. I don't think I've heard of any pro golfers or spectators smoking while at a golf tour... The worst is when RO's are smoking... Where is the damn etiquette? Edited August 10, 2021 by yekcoh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intheshaw1 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 It doesn't bother me at all, cigars are usually the worst but the guys I shoot with who smoke cigars hang towards the back of the bays when smoking. I don't think an RO should be smoking if actively running shooters, rotate out or smoke in between stages. I've also never heard anyone complain. Have you voiced your opinions to those around you smoking in a polite manner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Only on Enos... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Any more personal crap and we are locked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 I don't really care about smoking, but i do think we should get to drink a beer on the odd numbered stages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barcode1337 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 I despise smoking, but I value the ability to choose more. That said, if someone wants to do well, I think it's ridiculous that they would smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yekcoh Posted August 10, 2021 Author Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Intheshaw1 said: It doesn't bother me at all, cigars are usually the worst but the guys I shoot with who smoke cigars hang towards the back of the bays when smoking. I don't think an RO should be smoking if actively running shooters, rotate out or smoke in between stages. I've also never heard anyone complain. Have you voiced your opinions to those around you smoking in a polite manner? asking an RO to stop smoking would probably have a negative impact on scoring as a lot of times things can get highly subjective... I'm fairly confident no cigarette smoker would ever take that request delightfully no matter how polite it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsessiveshooter Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 I would really like to see someone throw down a badass stage run with a fat stubby cigar clenched in their teeth. Personally, I like the smell of a burning cigar, it reminds me of my grandfather. The taste of a cigar, yuck! I think the majority of us are old enough to remember when everyone smoked, every restaurant had a smoking section, etc. We didn't die then, and we won't be hurt now being forced to merely catch the scent of tobacco at an outdoor match. As long as the RO isn't taking a deep drag and exhaling the smoke in your face with the words "Are you ready, standy", then I think we can all put on our big boy pants and let people make choices that are different from our own preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 31 minutes ago, obsessiveshooter said: I would really like to see someone throw down a badass stage run with a fat stubby cigar clenched in their teeth. Personally, I like the smell of a burning cigar, it reminds me of my grandfather. The taste of a cigar, yuck! I think the majority of us are old enough to remember when everyone smoked, every restaurant had a smoking section, etc. We didn't die then, and we won't be hurt now being forced to merely catch the scent of tobacco at an outdoor match. As long as the RO isn't taking a deep drag and exhaling the smoke in your face with the words "Are you ready, standy", then I think we can all put on our big boy pants and let people make choices that are different from our own preference. Finally sanity arrives. I'll keep occasionally lighting my pipe at local matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, yekcoh said: Let me preface that we are in a free country and anyone should be allowed to smoke whatever they want, without disturbing others, of course. That used to work when not everyone went actively looking for something to be offended or annoyed about 2 hours ago, yekcoh said: I'd like to think that USPSA/IPSC (action pistol) is a legitimate sport with real athletes which require agility and high physical performance. I don't think I've heard of any pro golfers or spectators smoking while at a golf tour.. I think you might be. Maybe improve your mental toughness? 2 hours ago, yekcoh said: I cannot be the only person to think that cig smoke impedes 100% focus before and during the run. Edited August 10, 2021 by SGT_Schultz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 hour ago, obsessiveshooter said: I would really like to see someone throw down a badass stage run with a fat stubby cigar clenched in their teeth. I have seen it a couple of times, by a couple of different people one of them finished 2nd at a major i worked. Also seen a couples of guys with cigars in their mouth shoot piss poor, so unfortunately no direct correlation between cigars and badass stage runs can be reached LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 (edited) I have never smoked so yes, any smoke bothers me. But I’m not going to support banning it. There is way too much cancel culture BS already. If I got make ready and an RO or nearby shooter were smoking I would ask that they stop or move further away. Edited August 10, 2021 by Sarge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yekcoh Posted August 10, 2021 Author Share Posted August 10, 2021 24 minutes ago, Sarge said: I have never smoked so yes, any smoke bothers me. But I’m not going to support banning it. There is way too much cancel culture BS already. If I got make ready and an RO or nearby shooter were smoking I would ask that they stop or move further away. I don’t think banning is an ultimate solution either but it should be a well recognized etiquette in USPSA. And If I have to turn around and ask someone to get out of the bay while making ready, that alone throws off my focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageJoeShooting Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 just put the gun down and challenge the offender to a duel if you win they stop smoking if they win they get to keep it up its really the best and only solution to this type of problem frankly i think our country would be better off bringing back duels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 5 hours ago, yekcoh said: And If I have to turn around and ask someone to get out of the bay while making ready, that alone throws off my focus. Why is anyone in the bay while you're making ready? Or did you mean something else? I repeat what I said about mental toughness. The environment will never be as distraction free as you think it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzShooter Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 I gave up smoking about 20 years ago. My choice. I know how hard it is and can see why some people still smoke. It doesn't bother me to see someone light up, I don't mind cigars at all and I've never seen someone blowing smoke in the eyes of a shooter. BTW I still remember Kirk Kirkham, the first National Champion, for those who don't remember his name, shooting stages with his cigar blazing as he bested everyone around. He was a character. Lately I've had guys that smoke ask me if it bothers me while they are standing around me. I don't object. My choice again. I can move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillChunn Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 One of the people on the club's "Safety Committee" pushed for a smoking ban on the outdoor ranges. He said that smoking and vaping impacts everyone's health and got the ban pushed through the committee. They paid for a sign to be made and posted on the fence at the entrance to the range. It's quite entertaining to see that it's never enforced. This is a club that also has a 1.5 mile racetrack with portions of it within 50 feet of the pistol bays. Let's just ignore all those exhaust fumes / carbon monoxide and focus on vaping...... My opinion, don't care... just don't blow it in my face. BC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaterHead Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 I don’t see it much anymore, but when I do I am sometimes tempted to ask for a toke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yekcoh Posted August 10, 2021 Author Share Posted August 10, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillChunn said: One of the people on the club's "Safety Committee" pushed for a smoking ban on the outdoor ranges. He said that smoking and vaping impacts everyone's health and got the ban pushed through the committee. They paid for a sign to be made and posted on the fence at the entrance to the range. It's quite entertaining to see that it's never enforced. This is a club that also has a 1.5 mile racetrack with portions of it within 50 feet of the pistol bays. Let's just ignore all those exhaust fumes / carbon monoxide and focus on vaping...... My opinion, don't care... just don't blow it in my face. BC This isn't really about health. It's about distraction. No one should be talking to (except RO) or cheering the shooter when they are making ready. This is a given. Everyone is aware of that. Everyone should be silent to allow the shooter make ready to their fullest potential. If you wanna come shoot and hang out for fun, that's perfectly fine. But there are some serious shooters who are dedicated to push their best at every match. Let's not use "if you don't like this country, leave" attitude. There is already over 1/3 of voters silently voicing out that it is in fact a distraction. Put that into perspective in terms of classification, only 5% is GM and 10% are master. And keep in mind, this is a biased poll since nearly all smokers are going to hard vote on No. Edited August 10, 2021 by yekcoh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caspian guy Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 (edited) Don't smoke... Don't like smoking... Voted no anyway. Just like Bill said, don't blow it in my face and we'll be fine. Edited August 10, 2021 by caspian guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaterHead Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 It’s not golf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Murphy Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Just don't smoke near the guy at chrono pulling bullets and we’re cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 hour ago, yekcoh said: This isn't really about health. It's about distraction. No one should be talking to (except RO) or cheering the shooter when they are making ready. This is a given. Everyone is aware of that. Everyone should be silent to allow the shooter make ready to their fullest potential. LOL.... This is a joke, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 I have three smoking stories. One of the ROs at my small local club smokes those skinny sub-cigars. He is considerate about staying downwind from me and other sensitive noses. The Wyoming Antelope Club has three large semi-enclosed bays. I once heard a RO yell at a smoker from the next squad who was scoping out the stage to stay outside until his turn. I used to shoot with a guy who literally kept a smoldering cigar in his teeth throughout, even while shooting. A nice guy, good shot, usually there with nice wife and son; normally good people to squad with. But I could not stand the smoldering stogie and had to take a different squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric802 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, SGT_Schultz said: LOL.... This is a joke, right? Apparently our sport is now golf. Spectators must be quiet after "Make ready". Maybe the RO's should be given those "Quiet Please" paddles they can hold up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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