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  1. Thanks to everyone that had suggestions and recommendations. The full set of steel has been ordered and is scheduled to arrive this week along with the warming tents and propane burners. The Oakland County Sportsman's Club Steel Challenge matches will start off with 5 stages that fit on the current bays and will be held the third Saturday of the month. First match is scheduled for November 20th. If we can get everything setup, possibly October 15th. Match schedule will be posted on PractiScore. See you on the range. BC
  2. The velocity of the round is going to cause the bullet to shatter and disperse in a 360 degree pattern. In the fraction of a second that event occurs, the only difference is if the steel moves ever so slightly, it will absorb a portion of the energy. The result is that the splatter doesn't go as far in that 360 degree pattern. If it runs into something, like a mounting hook, then the direction of that splatter will change. I own a "practice set" from shootingtargets7 with the hooks. The club is purchasing the new steel and some committee members voiced concerns of ricochets off those hooks coming back up-range. I know, I know... what is the chance that will occur? Very little.... but it's politics at a very large club and the purchase has to be approved by committee members that don't even shoot SC. The closest they have come is shooting a steel plate suspended on a pair of chains.... There are a couple other clubs in the area that run SC matches. One club has the bolt system and it piles up the splatter exactly as you describe. The plates still move, just not as much as the spring system @broadside72 mentioned or the plates on hooks. The other club's Board of Directors mandated that NO metal protrude from the plate face. That club made their own targets and created the mounting system on the back. This was also the club that required a wooden 2" x 6" board be mounted above each piece of steel so it would stop (or at least slow down) a round that hit the very top edge of the target and skipped off. What is being considered is adding a spring to the bolt hanging system so the plate will move. It would be fitted to a slightly longer bolt. Thanks to all for the suggestions. The proposal goes in front of the committee on Wednesday the 8th. BC
  3. Saturday of Labor Day weekend will be a 5 stage match in preparation for the Area 5 Championship starting the following weekend. The stage designs are up on PractiScore. Round count is 132. Registration opens tomorrow, August 27, 2021 @ 9:00 AM BC
  4. Checking for a set of lightly (lol) used targets that must be AR500 or above. Need the complete set of targets / bases / hangers for all eight stages. Since up-range splatter coming off the hook mounts is a concern, the targets must have the bolt mounting system or could be converted to that system. Thanks, BC
  5. This year we are starting a USPSA club using the 5 bays that were created for IDPA competition at Oakland County Sportsman's Club in Clarkston, Michigan. We have backing from the board of directors to create addition bays. The down side is asking for two bays that are over 40 yards deep for OL and SO just to fit all 8 stages for steel challenge. That's a LOT of real estate to dedicate, even if it can be used for USPSA and IDPA matches. So yes, additional stages that would fit on smaller bays would be a HUGE advantage to existing and start-up clubs that have "USPSA-sized" bays. We are hoping to create a world-class range for these types of competitions with large metal roofed pavilions, electricity and Wi-Fi coverage on each bay so the scoring tablets can be polled from a central building. BC
  6. From the video and the parts supplied, this looks like a less expensive, fewer parts (2 sear springs, 1 trigger spring and you use one of two provided over travel sleeves) than the GG kit. BC
  7. One of the people on the club's "Safety Committee" pushed for a smoking ban on the outdoor ranges. He said that smoking and vaping impacts everyone's health and got the ban pushed through the committee. They paid for a sign to be made and posted on the fence at the entrance to the range. It's quite entertaining to see that it's never enforced. This is a club that also has a 1.5 mile racetrack with portions of it within 50 feet of the pistol bays. Let's just ignore all those exhaust fumes / carbon monoxide and focus on vaping...... My opinion, don't care... just don't blow it in my face. BC
  8. Welcome and thanks for your service. BC
  9. Am considering adding the Lok Grips WML to the Legion but GX Products indicated that they do not make holsters for WML's. Red Hill Tactical might have one but I'd prefer the locking mechanism on the GX. Anybody found a good holster for their Legion / WML combination? Pictures if available..... Thanks, BC
  10. "Not wanting to become RO certified has absolutely nothing to do with running the tablet, helping set up pre match, tearing down post match, pasting/resetting...." Congratulations. You just described what every single competitor in this sport is supposed to do. "Who wants to be the guy that has to send the new shooter home as his/her own discretion" Ahhhhh that would be the person that is helping that shooter (and everybody else on the range) stay safe. In Saturday's match a new shooter saw another shooter flip the last round out of his gun and catch it. When he tried that, the round went forward, in front of the muzzle and he swept not only his hand but also his forearm. He went home after loudly complaining that "No one ever told him that". Knowing the rules prevents you from doing things that get you disqualified. And yes, I've witnessed gunshot wounds (plural) at USPSA matches. I certainly hope you never have to.... it's not pretty. "The main reason I said I refuse to get certified is because then you're expected to RO." As @SGT_Schultz has already stated, you can politely decline. "With that being said, I do not necessarily feel comfortable being the only RO for a squad of 8-9 with 2-3 of those being new shooters." At one time we were all new shooters, including you. It might be different at the clubs in your area but around here we try and help new shooters. Most USPSA clubs cater to new shooters as we all know it's those individuals that are the future of this sport. When we see a new face, we walk up and introduce ourselves and ask if they have seen this type of shooting before. It usually leads to some great conversations. Being ignored tends to put people off and they don't come back to an environment that they feel is hostile. "Our local matches down here do an amazing job(most of the time) of making sure squads are well balanced and that matches are ran as smooth as possible. We are far from not having people to run these matches, and the people that do, love it." Until they don't. This is a transitory sport. Match directors, stats people, stage designers, range officers, stage builders and yes, even competitors burn out. When that happens, they leave and find something else to do with their time. The bottom line is this. There are two ways to learn, from your mistakes or seeing other people's mistakes. There is a wealth of knowledge on this forum. People like @Sarge and others that have been around a while and seen a few things happen at not only Level 1 matches but also Level 2 and 3. They know what it takes to execute a "well run match". Everything from NROI trained range officials to target witness marks on the sticks. As others have stated in this thread, taking the NROI Range Officer training made them a better shooter. If you feel that won't help you, then that's your decision. BC
  11. So let me get this straight.... you prefer to show up and be a trigger puller. When enough people in this sport do just that, it's the end of USPSA. You won't have any matches to go to. There won't be people to run them... or design stages... or build them... or do stats. Every single match you go to has a solid group of volunteers that allow you to just show up and enjoy yourself. When volunteer help disappears, clubs close. It's just that simple. At the 2021 Michigan Sectional, Ray Hirst talked about RO training during the shooters meeting. He said that he had two GM shooters in one of his RO classes. At the end they both told him that understanding the rules made them a better shooter. This is a volunteer sport. In my humble opinion, taking the timer or manning the tablet is a small part of this sport. Being NROI certified is part of "giving back" to the sport we all enjoy. BC
  12. Yep... The heavier spring is forcing the slide back into battery faster and due to momentum, the nose of the gun dips during your second shot. BC
  13. For a major match, my habit is to show up one day ahead of the assigned shooting day. That way you get to make each stage plan, see others shoot the stages and adjust your plan accordingly. Have a good dinner, check over your gear and get it setup to load into the vehicle so you don't forget anything. Then get a solid night's sleep. For both locals and majors, start to the range on competition day early. Get a good breakfast in you and setup your gear, cart and load magazines. Then relax. BC
  14. BillChunn

    The Sig Armorer?

    @ahfox32 you might want to check this thread (<-- click). You might think Robert's price structure is a bit high until you receive the results. BC
  15. Sorry, if it's below freezing then the match being attended will be indoors. Yes, I do like competition but I don't like freezing my butt off.... YMMV BC
  16. How do you like the Sport Pistol? How much residue does it leave in the gun? I have 8 pounds of it as backup to the N320 which is relatively clean... the FCU cleans up in the ultrasonic cleaner and requires very little extra work after that process. BC
  17. Temperature range was 40 to 90 degrees Fahrenheit. No significant change in velocity over the chronograph. Most deviation was 11 fps higher and that could have been due to range pickup brass that was only tumble cleaned vs. wet tumbled or a couple more tenths of a grain from the Dillon powder thrower. Now the N500 series for rifle appears to be a different story. (link) BC
  18. To make minor with a 147 bullet, the velocity must be 851 fps. If you only run at 850, prepare to shoot for fun as that comes out to 124.95 power factor. My preferred powder is VihtaVuori as it is not temperature sensitive which helps with the hot Michigan summers and colder fall matches. Using 3.4 grains of N320 in new brass with Winchester Small Rifle primers under Blue Bullets truncated cone at OAL of 1.15, the velocities obtained from a pair of LabRadar units at this past weekend's Michigan Sectional were 942, 943 and 942 making a comfortable 138.5 power factor. Temperature was 75 degrees and South Kent Sportsmen's Club in Dorr Michigan is 640 feet above sea level. Gun is a Sig P320 Legion with standard 5" Barsto barrel. Normal disclaimers apply, use this load data at your own risk, may run different velocity in your gun, blah, blah blah..... BC
  19. Had to bump up the powder change by a tenth as the "old" version of the 147's had a indent ring at the base that did a better job of sealing to the barrel's lands and grooves. The new version with the flat sides dropped about 5-12 fps over the LabRadar chronograph. Went to the Michigan Sectional Level 2 match where of course they chronograph. Better safe than sub-minor.... BC
  20. With the abundance of after market parts for the P320, you could construct the gun you want around the FCU versus buying the P320 and then replacing parts. There is a couple of barrels and a grip in my unused Sig parts box as my Legions were purchased and then retro-fitted with the stuff I wanted. BC
  21. The XL is run on my Legions and the .22 carbine used for Steel Challenge. The extra width helps with target transitions. BC
  22. One of the things to remember is that the spring has to push all the loaded rounds upward before the slide cycles so a round makes it into the chamber. Weak, dirty or worn out springs cause jams by not pushing the round up fast enough to be in place before the slide picks it off the magazine. Rounds will roll or slide against the side of the magazine depending on how much friction is generated as they are pushed upward. There are products out there that do a fantastic job lubricating the inside of the magazines. Mag Slick (link) is a dry lubrication you spray on the inside of a cleaned magazine (preferable in a "well ventilated area" as the instructions state) that dries to a film. Wet lubricants tend to trap and hold onto dirt. The second item is a good magazine brush (there are several) that you can use to brush out the dirt and accumulated junk after the loaded magazine hits the ground. A cleaning patch is wrapped around the tip and then the brush is inserted from the bottom. The spring and follower are cleaned along with the basepad. Everything is put back together and you are good to go. The ability to quickly clean a magazine comes in handy, specifically if you are up first on the next stage. BC
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