Darqusoull13 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 On 10/7/2023 at 4:42 PM, shred said: Sounds great for an iron-sight match I for one had a fantastic time at formerly iron sight Nationals. For everyone complaining that PCC would change stage designs, it turns out Carry Optics + magwell was what actually changed Nationals stages. Yes, FIS Nats was harder than PCC/Open. This was a fantastically fun match for 19 out of 21 stages. The Bill drill should have remained a side stage and the cop qual range stage wasted 300+ peoples time and ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 2 hours ago, rowdyb said: If you weren't here, you wouldn't understand. could be could be,, I am sure some videos will be out and about soon. Good to see you made it though,, know you had some difficulties lately just from following along on the threads... Think we are all getting older.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishbreath Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Mikayla Hill broke down the target difficulties we saw over on Instagram. Quote This years Iron + Limited Optics Nationals was just under 450 rounds consisting of: Over 10 targets at 30+ yards (furthest at 35) Over 50 targets at 20+ yards (majority at 25) Over 80 partial targets, many being tight turtle head shots, skunks, or half black turtle targets 10 moving targets. Unless you count the visual start stage then add 9 more moving target reveals ( 3 targets, 3 strings) Over 40 mini poppers, and not a single big popper. Over 75 targets between 15-20 yards And roughly 75 targets inside 12 yards, of which only 15 were wide open targets that let you move while shooting with little to no risk. Definitely a challenging match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Weren't we just talking on here about how the shooting isn't nearly as hard as it used to be? They must of heard us as even old timers are saying that was the hardest match they've ever shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomstick303 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said: Weren't we just talking on here about how the shooting isn't nearly as hard as it used to be? They must of heard us as even old timers are saying that was the hardest match they've ever shot. I have been reading about some of the shooting challenges in that latest nationals on this forum and was thinking the exact same thing. Curious for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 I thought I sucked with 7 mikes. Then I checked PS after, wow, just wow. If your zero wasn't perfect, you had a rough 3 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachjet Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 I tried looking it up on ps. Nothing comes up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishbreath Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 46 minutes ago, Zachjet said: I tried looking it up on ps. Nothing comes up Look under "Hand Gun National Championship", I think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 A LOT of misses when you get down a little ways. Maybe the goal was to keep Iron sight shooters out of Nationals next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstone45 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Zachjet said: I tried looking it up on ps. Nothing comes up https://practiscore.com/results/new/220816 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 26 minutes ago, RJH said: A LOT of misses when you get down a little ways. Maybe the goal was to keep Iron sight shooters out of Nationals next year I imagine next year there will be way less iron sight shooters at Nat's. LO is growing fast, and it's basically going to be another shot at a National title for all the CO guys who shot their Nationals several months before. A couple friends that have shot the last couple Nat's at that range said they don't plan to go back to Nationals when it's there. They felt the stages have been kind of trash every time. Most guys liked our Area match better than Nat's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 46 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said: LO is growing fast, and it's basically going to be another shot at a National title for all the CO guys who shot their Nationals several months before. ...and probably with the same gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 43 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said: I imagine next year there will be way less iron sight shooters at Nat's. LO is growing fast, and it's basically going to be another shot at a National title for all the CO guys who shot their Nationals several months before. A couple friends that have shot the last couple Nat's at that range said they don't plan to go back to Nationals when it's there. They felt the stages have been kind of trash every time. Most guys liked our Area match better than Nat's. I'm glad I went. It was in my backyard, I got in when the slots were added. It was definitely challenging. And I'm glad I had a dot and a solid zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effectus Magis Per Minor Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 This was my first nationals and I had a great time. Definitely challenging stages for single stack major! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeMKY Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Effectus Magis Per Minor said: This was my first nationals and I had a great time. Definitely challenging stages for single stack major! It was my second but it's nice to meet the other single stack shooter that was there...lol Yeah it was rough finding the 8 or less array in some areas and some of the long shots where a bit rough further down, but I'd do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobW Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, Effectus Magis Per Minor said: This was my first nationals and I had a great time. Definitely challenging stages for single stack major! Same for me, first Nats and I had a blast. I shot LO, on the second day I was like "damn, I'm glad I have a dot". Edited October 12, 2023 by RobW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THS Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 On 10/10/2023 at 4:15 PM, Racinready300ex said: Weren't we just talking on here about how the shooting isn't nearly as hard as it used to be? They must of heard us as even old timers are saying that was the hardest match they've ever shot. My part of the discussion- that scoring favors Speed over Accuracy- touched on this. This nationals certainly seemed to be a different test than the locals I see. That leads me to another aspect of change= good or bad I dont know, just change. I looked at the Indiana sectional match book someone posted a link to. About half of the stages were 32 rounds (minumum) and one was 33(?). Stage design like this involves lots of movement, and therefore time, thus weighting that part of the game. Where we do not have the IPSC 3-2-1 stage mix requirement we have gravitated to lots of shots (which is fun for sure.) Should Match directors be encouraged to have more Speed Shoots and Short Courses? Do those balance the movement part of the "speed" variable? They count for less points overall as well so they have lots of weight in the overall too. Just a thought, but I think this has been evolving over time and now is the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42ATK Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Those shots really didn’t look that tough even for irons… maybe I’m just a FUDD though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 hour ago, THS said: Why we do not have the IPSC 3-2-1 stage mix requirement we have gravitated to lots of shots (which is fun for sure.) The emphasis for most clubs is round-count, they are appealing to the most common shooter in the sport, the hobbyist who just want to have fun. The 3-2-1 ratio provides a more balanced test, it favors shooting skills over movement skills. Make a mistake on a short course and you can't make it up with foot speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 hour ago, THS said: My part of the discussion- that scoring favors Speed over Accuracy- touched on this. This nationals certainly seemed to be a different test than the locals I see. That leads me to another aspect of change= good or bad I dont know, just change. I looked at the Indiana sectional match book someone posted a link to. About half of the stages were 32 rounds (minumum) and one was 33(?). Stage design like this involves lots of movement, and therefore time, thus weighting that part of the game. Where we do not have the IPSC 3-2-1 stage mix requirement we have gravitated to lots of shots (which is fun for sure.) Should Match directors be encouraged to have more Speed Shoots and Short Courses? Do those balance the movement part of the "speed" variable? They count for less points overall as well so they have lots of weight in the overall too. Just a thought, but I think this has been evolving over time and now is the norm. You're kinda local to me....I think what Keanu has been doing with the MD state is great. Matches are challenging but not so difficult they sap the fun out of it. And the mix of more smaller stages I think makes a better match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 As a match director it's often tough to balance out match so you don't have a full squad waiting at a large feild courses that follows a much shorter course. Sometimes I'll do 2 8 -12 rd courses on one pit, that normally balances out with a 32 rd on next pit. The 18 rd medium ones can be a problem by end of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IL-SIG Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 hours ago, THS said: and one was 33(?) This is permissible in a level II match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 It's not that tests were too hard, but that they were far too similar and too numerous. Was on time, flowed well, easy parking, no popper issues. But dang if yiu didn't go from stage to stage going "this again?" The bullet traps did not do enough to mitigate the bays with non shootable side berms imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 On 10/12/2023 at 11:01 AM, BritinUSA said: The emphasis for most clubs is round-count, they are appealing to the most common shooter in the sport, the hobbyist who just want to have fun. i have not observed that at any of the clubs where I shoot. What uspsa clubs have you shot at recently that emphasized round-count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) Practically every match I shot in Colorado from 1998 to 2019 Edited October 17, 2023 by BritinUSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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