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  1. I must have good karma. I have never been screwed on a popper. Almost was once, but after a mag dump from a 45 and the popper was still standing, the RO looked at it and determined it was busted. I have lost challenges on edge hits or low hits (I don't even bother challenging edge hits on mini-poppers), but that's my own poor marksmanship. fwiw, i don't think there is anything shady about winning a challenge on a non-center hit. If the popper is miscalibrated, it's miscalibrated. end of story.
  2. edge hits or very low hits. but you still call for calibration, and using proper calibration ammo according to the rules, sometimes you win. It's not unheard of for large poppers to settle enough over the course of a squad to start causing problems, so I typically see how they feel when I'm resetting them.
  3. we set them generally as light as reasonably possible, but people still get edge-hits and low hits, and we have alot of A and better shooters, so if they call a good shot and hear a ding, they stop paying attention to that popper. Maybe we use more poppers, there could be 30 or more in a typical match. Heck, I shoot major, and I've had poppers not go down at least 3 times in 4 years.
  4. What do other clubs do when a popper is hit, but doesn't fall? we all know it happens, from edge-hits and low hits as well as faulty poppers or poppers settling in the gravel. Generally the shooter calls for calibration here. Happens at least a couple times every match. (matches are 70-ish shooters, 6-7 stages totaling around 150 rounds)
  5. But they won't question using known overpowered ammo to calibrate? That seems odd, but perhaps I have misunderstood what you are saying. fwiw, I keep my calibration ammo in a plastic baggy, not a hat. It is marked 'sub-minor calibration ammo 117pf'.
  6. Please accept my most abject apologies for any unintended slight. i must have misunderstood the situation. It sounded like you were saying you have never seen a shooter lose a popper calibration challenge at a local match when using factory or competition (over specified PF) ammunition for calibration (textbook definition of getting screwed over). That seemed surprising to me since you stated you don't follow the rules about calibration ammo at your matches. Can you explain more fully what is happening? Are there no calibration challenges at your matches? Or do the shooters always win them? Or are you actually using sub-minor calibration ammo?
  7. Your point is imho a terrible one. You are saying, if we can't do it perfectly by the book, then doing it 95% right and totally in the spirit of the rules is a waste of time, and we should totally flaunt the rules and do what we KNOW is wrong instead. We must shoot with nicer people at our local matches, because no one has EVER challenged our ammo. Are you sure about not seeing any screw-overs. Every shooter that got a mike because a popper fell using overpowered calibration ammo got screwed over. The fact that you don't see that as getting screwed over is slightly alarming. Seems like playing pretty fast and loose with the rules.
  8. For local matches, I don't have any issue with chrono once and call it good (from the same batch) forever. I've been chrono-ing a long time, and i do it a couple times a month, and the same batch chronos the same forever, in all weather conditions, at least with the powder I use. Even if it varies 1-4 pf, by starting at 118 or so, i feel confident that we'll be much closer to the recommended range than by using factory ammo. Now if I run out and have to load another couple hundred calibration rounds, i'm not going to rely on my notes and measurements, I'm going to chrono that batch again. IMHO, more important is for each squad to double-check the steel with a knuckle-test when they first get to the stage, since we all know that steel settles and moves around and it is shot and reset. That prevents alot of issues.
  9. luckily, I'm not actually a rules-nazi trying to screw people over, and I'm good at math, so I know that chrono-ing once and calling it good forever is *scientifically* legit.
  10. you admitted to not following one of the key rules meant to protect shooters from getting screwed over..... but, since I want to be a rules nazi, I will start bringing my 9mm 1911 with me, so I can use the exact combination that has been tested.
  11. so you think intentionally screwing over shooters by using overpowered ammo is closer to the rules than shooting ammo through a different gun that might not be exactly the same PF as the one it was tested in? It is interesting that you are very literal about the rules when it comes to punishing shooters, and somewhat less literal about the rules that protect them.
  12. If you are an RM/MD and you don't have calibration ammo, and are just making do with full power ammo for calibration challenges, I believe you are ignoring important rules. I always have a handful of subminor 9mm rounds in my range bag. So does our local RMI. I don't usually shoot 9mm, and not everyone is overjoyed to shoot someone else's handloads through their gun, but we've never had a problem finding someone in the squad with a 9mm that is happy to do it. If we did squad with old cranky scared people, I would just bring a 9mm in the car that I could grab when necessary.
  13. same thing happened here a month or so ago, and resulted in some discussion how to handle it. consensus was to say something like 'hey, you might go to the safe table and check out your gun, i noticed xxx with it while you were shooting.' Even just waiting until the shooter has stepped away from the line to mention anything would probably help. There's a bit of a mental dividing line between standing there handling your gun under RO supervision, and walking around looking at targets, etc...
  14. Wouldn't be any odder than the '1 foot in and 1 foot faulting is the same as out' ruling.
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