Joe4d

any matches in may ? I am off for the month

He knows,, and he was.. LOL,... I think that was the pun... GOtta know the guy.. Hoping to cross paths at a revolver shoot and meet in person some day.

yeh when I started loading short colt I looked at the pressures listed in some of the manuals,, yeh I wouldnt do 310 ,, I went with Accurate #2.. alot more comfortable with the book pressures,, I load 147's Bayou coated bullets at 125 in a 4" 627

while sorta 9mm specs, unless you are using a really super fast powder, probably not close to max 9mm pressure.. Keep in mind, folks are only loading these to 120-130 pf,, Where typical 9mm factory ammo is loaded a bit higher. Each their own,, I use a bit slower powder than some though for my short colt. I wouldnt use Clays,, but thats me.

then you wernt following any rule set I am familiar with. what game was this so I know to avoid it,

and thats why they dont belong at sanctioned matches.. Yep they are fun,,, but I have never seen them scored correctly every time.. and this includes at USPSA Nationasl.. Scoring them correctly would bring matches to a screaching halt. They simply arnt reliable enough

Icore, or uspsa rules thats a REF and mandatory reshoot.

LOL,, u dadblamed gamers... !!!! get off my lawn !

anyone else get the hypocracy with the whole real world thing ? Randomly spraying live rounds throught the crowd ? A-OK... dropping a mag on the ground with an unfired ground.... OMG OMG much wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth... LOL Really id just like to find a match that I can shoot in half a day..

quite a few guns do, and quite a few have flared frames.. I just find it ridiculous thats where the line is drawn..

yeh, VV used to be the gawdawful expensive powder,, last time I shopped it was the same price,, just every thing else caught up

you completely miss the point. Point is,, of all that stuff on the gun, the funnel,, which is probably stock, and pretty much meaningless, is the only part thats not allowed.

adjutomatic holster, all that add on gadgets, not a single stock part required out side the frame, huge thumb break "take down lever" and its the mag funnel on a 25 round gun, thats probably stock, that's the rules problem..

I saw a 45 ACP one not run 100% in bowling pin matches. Which was kinda surprising, as they arnt a cheap date and figured they would be pretty good., Honestly I only ever saw Storms, and Rugers run 100% most of the time, but those werein 9mm and didnt do well. Seems carbine class was always won by the guy that got his 45 to run 5 strings in a row.

yeh but then we need a beta tester.. LOts of folks have fired lots of majors in typical 1911 set ups and not died, so we dont have to go uncharted. Avg pressure sends rounds down range, peak pressure blows up guns. With the slow powders folks are running and the fact its making all that gas to work a pistol comp leads me to believe the pressure hasnt peaked in the short barrels and the already off the chart pressures would go even higher in a closed 16" barrel.

most guys running really fast powders in 40 major are running longer than spec ammo, which tend to work better in 1911 type platforms. Truckloads of tight group have sent truckloads of 180's down range at 170 pf,, Has probably been the most common loading for many years in the US.. Cant speak for 175 though.. If you arnt comfortable with tight group,, a simple look at a burn rate chart and what is available in your area should suffice.. PIck a powder with a slower burn rate which should get your velocity with lower pressure. Reloading manuals should be full of 180's at 980 fps loads.. Thats pretty much standard 40 stuff.

Corbon 125 +p in a 5" 1911 is 164 pf,, and only pics up a few fps in the longer barrel carbines. 169 in the Berreta storm

I am in Marion Kansas, moved here from Virginia a couple years ago.. I have shot steel up around Topeka and ICORE east of there. bit of a hump for me.. I pretty much just shoot the Icore when I can. Not worth the drive for Steel challenge. There are a couple places north of you, but they dont really keep their websignts updated, so not 100% sure whats going on with me. If you are into track meets with some shooting there is a PCSL 2 gun club that is getting started, they put out their stages on face book. They should be pretty local to you.. IIRC a bit south of Wichita. I get home in May and am gonna look into the club in Hutchinson.. See what kinda matches they do.. I think it was USPSA

with the time and money it would take you to do this project. You could load a bunch of 9mm then switch your press back to 45.. But eh if we went by logic we'd all have lots of room in our gunsafes. I have my IDPA gamer gun.. Single stack 1911 40 I built years ago on a caspian frame gathering dust in my closet.. Should break it out. Probably been 15 years since I shot it. I built it in Hawaii 10 round land, So shot standard with the the longer extended 10 round mags... Briefly tried to get normal length 10 rund mags to work without success. FIgured out I was better off with 9 round mags in IDPA and used those for a year or 2 after leaving HI.. Think I shot one single stack USPSA match and felt like a 1 legged man at an asskicking contest. IIRC I used a Barsto bushing barrel.. I have an old 40 Para ramp para ordnance 40 bushing barrel laying around somewhere if you arnt in a hurry you can have. Seems like I ran across it recently looking for something else. I get home first of may can look for it.

the precision moly coated smoked with tight group, they even said dont use it.. I mean t wasnt enough to really cause much issue.. I think once on a really hot humid day with no wind and sun at the right angle it was pretty noticeable . I still have quite a bit of it, and pretty sure I am mostly using Bayou bullets these days.. I have a case of 38 short colt sitting at home and some Bayou 147's,, may load some up,.. Guess thats a side affect of chasing latest greatest,, or changing sports/ platforms.. You end up with lots of partial jugs of powder. Ive got plenty of American Select, WST , tight group, AA2, and clean shot that all do about the same thing...

man little changes and experiences give people completely different perceptions of componenets. I started out in IDPA, and hard cast waz/ grease lube days.. I loaded tight group then WST.. everyone on here acted like 320 was the beeze knees... Never tried it, as it was double the cost.. Only people using 231 was the old timers in 45's again with these wax lubed hard cast.. they were dirty and smoked like freight trains,, probably loaded to pretty low pressure. Just find it funny that you see 320 as dirty and 231 as clean.. guess its all in the application and 2 powders can behave differently in different uses. Before covid I ran into some bulk deals on AA2 and probably have more than I will ever use.. I imagine if I had run into the same deals on 231 or 244 Id probably be just as happy with it.

Powder is sold and loaded by weight not volume so its density wont make a difference in price per round.. Burn rate will determine grs per round,, so again nothing to do with density. In general a fuller case burns more consistent.. Thats the theory anyways.. But loading with powders like tight group makes me wonder if thats true. People seem to do ok with it in 45 acp.. and that theory says it should be horrible.

its a reformulated 231.. basically they found a cheaper way to make it.. This powder came out or got known about the same time Sport pistol, and Cleanshot (a reflagged Accurate #2) came about. Its low volume to charge weight made me think it would have consistency issues. Although tightgroup is pretty low volume and works fine. Clean shot and Sport Pistol became available... I am only just now seeing 244,, People already decided on what they wanted to use and were happy with it. Another crowd just stuck with VV 310 and 320... Used to be VV was expensive.. There price stayed about the same and Hodgdons jumped up in price.. Basically actual availability of 244 missed the boat.. Although Sport pistol now seems to be getting rare. 244 is also a bit slower than some of the more popular 9 minor/ 40 major loads and probably has just a bit more bark than say A2.. 244 is probably a really good all around powder for people that load a little bit of every thing and arnt all that concerned with top velocity or absolute minimum recoil.

seems like that would require a move like drawing cross draw,, Hard turn to right,, draw,, then shift back around to where ever the target is.. I only ever did mounted shooting with western gear so 180 wasnt an issue..

trying to follow this,, can you describe using clock with 12 being straight down range and belly button of body ?