2011BLDR Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 10:29 AM, RangerTrace said: I "think" its less stroke and a standard 2011. Something similar to short stroking a 9mm AR? As long as it remains reliable, a shorter stroke should lead to faster splits in theory. what's old is new again... short stroking was a big thing around 1996-1999 ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 26 minutes ago, 2011BLDR said: what's old is new again... short stroking was a big thing around 1996-1999 ..... I used to destroke by 6" SV with a shock buff and an aluma buff. Drove Brandon Strayer crazy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 2 hours ago, RangerTrace said: I used to destroke by 6" SV with a shock buff and an aluma buff. Drove Brandon Strayer crazy!! You’re not the first person I’ve heard of using shock buffs to do this. And cutting recoil springs to match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zdali Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Silent said: You’re not the first person I’ve heard of using shock buffs to do this. And cutting recoil springs to match So what's the story with de-stroking then? If I was to think about it, I'd say it has to do with the timing of the slide. Stroked guns have longer dwell time to give the mag more time to fully present the round. Ergo, on a de-stroked gun your mags have to be on point, which is often difficult with big sticks. Never quite understood why you'd stroke the slide, and then add shock buffs to take that out Next on the list would be the case length. Running 9x19 in a 38SC gun basically "wastes" those couple of mm of slide travel. What I'm getting at is that it seems like you can optimise for either 9 or 38 and hope that the other runs. I wonder if Atlas went "We sell way more 9mm guns than 38s so lets try to make sure that those run"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpeters11 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, zdali said: I wonder if Atlas went "We sell way more 9mm guns than 38s so lets try to make sure that those run"... That’s how I’m seeing it. Believe the couple of 2.0s that were passed around were 9mm. 2.0 38sc has the same 2 poppel holes as the 9mm gun, chaos 1.0 38sc had a longer slide port and 3 holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, jpeters11 said: That’s how I’m seeing it. Believe the couple of 2.0s that were passed around were 9mm. 2.0 38sc has the same 2 poppel holes as the 9mm gun, chaos 1.0 38sc had a longer slide port and 3 holes. Hmm. Good observation. I shot with a guy tonight who had a 1.0 and he didn’t have very complimentary things to say. The gun ran well though. He won’t be ordering a 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, zdali said: So what's the story with de-stroking then? If I was to think about it, I'd say it has to do with the timing of the slide. Stroked guns have longer dwell time to give the mag more time to fully present the round. Ergo, on a de-stroked gun your mags have to be on point, which is often difficult with big sticks. Never quite understood why you'd stroke the slide, and then add shock buffs to take that out Next on the list would be the case length. Running 9x19 in a 38SC gun basically "wastes" those couple of mm of slide travel. What I'm getting at is that it seems like you can optimise for either 9 or 38 and hope that the other runs. I wonder if Atlas went "We sell way more 9mm guns than 38s so lets try to make sure that those run"... I’m going to guess it’s a matter of personal preference for the shooter. Whatever they like the feel of the best. With this is mind, if you have a stroked gun, you can mess with shock buff to shorten the slide travel and basically have both options. If your gun isn’t stroked, no way to make it longer so you’re stuck with that. Just thinking out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bravo_Victor Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, zdali said: So what's the story with de-stroking then? If I was to think about it, I'd say it has to do with the timing of the slide. Stroked guns have longer dwell time to give the mag more time to fully present the round. Ergo, on a de-stroked gun your mags have to be on point, which is often difficult with big sticks. Never quite understood why you'd stroke the slide, and then add shock buffs to take that out Next on the list would be the case length. Running 9x19 in a 38SC gun basically "wastes" those couple of mm of slide travel. What I'm getting at is that it seems like you can optimise for either 9 or 38 and hope that the other runs. I wonder if Atlas went "We sell way more 9mm guns than 38s so lets try to make sure that those run"... My guns are stroked with cut springs. I played around with aluminum buffs and what it did was dampen the crash between slide and frame and the dot jittered less. Even with 1-2 buffs it was still stroked. Having it stroked gave me options to play around as opposed to not. Said gun is an Akai 9mm middy with 6 popple holes. Loads are 124gr jhp @ 1.160 over 9.8gr of AA7 giving me 172pf give or take Edited January 21, 2022 by Bravo_Victor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacivilian Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 On 1/20/2022 at 1:31 PM, MikeBurgess said: All I was meaning is I've seen several guns run happily with baffle strikes and even looking at the comp to try to figure out if thats the cause of the accuracy issues we were seeing did not show anything super obvious. so a gun that deliver with baffle strikes while in no way is acceptable does not mean that it was not test fired. Weird, if I built a gun and bullets were tumbling on target, I would not ship that gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 hours ago, lacivilian said: Weird, if I built a gun and bullets were tumbling on target, I would not ship that gun. very likely not fired at a target or at a target that gets any type of inspection. Most likely its a case of grab gun do mag dump if it runs it goes in the dun pile if not it goes in the fix pile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostenelli Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 I played around with one at a match. Trigger was super nice but I haven’t shot many open guns to compare. I don’t have the kinda coin ($10k all in) to drop on an open pistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clw42 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Looks like they're up on the website now: https://atlasgunworks.com/product-category/chaos-2.0?utm_source=AGW+Website&utm_campaign=8fe7327a23-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_11_14_04_51_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_39dfc88611-8fe7327a23-116744943&mc_cid=8fe7327a23&mc_eid=c61947abe2 Yikes - pretty close to Infinity prices. I do like that new grip they came up with though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltdmstr Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 36 minutes ago, clw42 said: Yikes - pretty close to Infinity prices. I do like that new grip they came up with though. Yep. For a production gun with the only options being parts you can swap yourself, like trigger, grip panels, racker and magwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Yuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostenelli Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 They had gift cards at 10% late last year but no tax with purchases for the first run so not too bad @8100ish and 10% with prepaid gift cards last November/dec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillywig Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Aaaaand no optic for that price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bdh821 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 I’ve played with a bunch of the test mules at local matches. They feel nice. I know, this is amazing info… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clw42 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 5 hours ago, Bdh821 said: I’ve played with a bunch of the test mules at local matches. They feel nice. I know, this is amazing info… I got to mess with one. I really like the grip panel idea. You can add where you need more contact. The one I tried was excellent. It's too bad the grips are proprietary. The gun itself is really nice, but if I'm spending that much, I might as well toss in another $1-1.5K and get the Infinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 7 hours ago, clw42 said: I got to mess with one. I really like the grip panel idea. You can add where you need more contact. The one I tried was excellent. It's too bad the grips are proprietary. The gun itself is really nice, but if I'm spending that much, I might as well toss in another $1-1.5K and get the Infinity. You don’t HAVE to spend more an SV. Fancy cuts will add costs but aren’t necessary. Still hard to grasp that the Chaos is this much. The guys I’ve talked to and shoot with that own or have owned the 1.0 aren’t getting one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clw42 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 39 minutes ago, Posvar said: You don’t HAVE to spend more an SV. Fancy cuts will add costs but aren’t necessary. Still hard to grasp that the Chaos is this much. The guys I’ve talked to and shoot with that own or have owned the 1.0 aren’t getting one. Oh, I didn't realize that. Then I'd definitely get an Infinity. But don't fancy cuts make you faster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, clw42 said: Oh, I didn't realize that. Then I'd definitely get an Infinity. But don't fancy cuts make you faster? Haha. No but the new tech does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unregistered Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) I don't know of a single Chaos from shooters around me that didn't have problems. Significant ones too. Pass. Edited February 14, 2022 by Unregistered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zdali Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Let's see how their mags perform... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bdh821 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 On 2/12/2022 at 11:45 PM, clw42 said: I got to mess with one. I really like the grip panel idea. You can add where you need more contact. The one I tried was excellent. It's too bad the grips are proprietary. The gun itself is really nice, but if I'm spending that much, I might as well toss in another $1-1.5K and get the Infinity. Yeah I’m on a list for an Infinity and it’s less than an Atlas.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clw42 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 31 minutes ago, Bdh821 said: Yeah I’m on a list for an Infinity and it’s less than an Atlas.. Nice. If I were in the market for a new gun, I'd probably go that route as well. I still have some kinks to work out in my game...it's not the gun holding me up. Eventually though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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