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6k limited pistols has been the norm with atlas for a while. I can a test from personal experience they did not test fire my latest nemesis that I received last year. otherwise they would had  know they put in the wrong slide stop, it doesn't take 20 rounds to figure that out. 

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I’m pretty disappointed in the “hyped” up underwhelming video that he did. The new technology in the SV open guns is a night and day difference over their older guns especially a 9mm. To me that’s worthy of some cool marketing which they didn’t even need to do a lot of. If you’re going to have a 2.0 then make it worthy of the name.

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I'll be honest with you.  I think anyone paying 6k for a stock Limited gun or 8+k for a stock Open gun is just plain nuts.  With people like Warwick Tactical or Brazos custom around making superb short blocks, It makes zero sense to by an expensive stock 2011.

 

I build my own 1911 and 2011 guns.  When my main 9mm major gun had to go back to the factory for a warranty frame replacement, I had to shoot my custom 1911 Open gun for USPSA.  One match later I said no way.  I ordered a Brazos Custom Open short block, a grip and some parts.  The SB was perfect.  One afternoon later I had all the internals fit.  The gun functioned perfectly right out of the gate.

 

So for about 4k (paid retail), not counting frame mount and dot, I had a backup gun that is every bit as good as the Atlas Open guns I've handled, and better than most.  All the internals were first rate parts.  Even if you can't fit the internals by yourself, you can buy the SB and parts and have a local gunsmith do it for not much money.

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4 minutes ago, zzt said:

I'll be honest with you.  I think anyone paying 6k for a stock Limited gun or 8+k for a stock Open gun is just plain nuts.  With people like Warwick Tactical or Brazos custom around making superb short blocks, It makes zero sense to by an expensive stock 2011.

 

I build my own 1911 and 2011 guns.  When my main 9mm major gun had to go back to the factory for a warranty frame replacement, I had to shoot my custom 1911 Open gun for USPSA.  One match later I said no way.  I ordered a Brazos Custom Open short block, a grip and some parts.  The SB was perfect.  One afternoon later I had all the internals fit.  The gun functioned perfectly right out of the gate.

 

So for about 4k (paid retail), not counting frame mount and dot, I had a backup gun that is every bit as good as the Atlas Open guns I've handled, and better than most.  All the internals were first rate parts.  Even if you can't fit the internals by yourself, you can buy the SB and parts and have a local gunsmith do it for not much money.

A local buddy is currently building his second Brazos short block kit gun and his first has been flawless. Much wisdom there. 

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4 minutes ago, Posvar said:

A local buddy is currently building his second Brazos short block kit gun and his first has been flawless. Much wisdom there. 

You know better than anyone that certain open guns depreciate a lot more than others. 
 

The home brewed short block guns will lose more $$ than an SV or similar. 
 

If resale is not a concern it is a great option 

 

 

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This thread is entertaining.

 

If you have questions or concerns about a manufacturers product reach out to them directly and get your answers from the source. Or better yet, hop on a plane and go see the guns and build process in person. 
 

Or get random opinions from internet howler monkeys. 
 

Everyone is an adult here and has the choice of making informed decisions or not. Yes, there is a price for being lazy while expecting others to spoon feed you answers. More power to you if you are willing to throw down $8k for anything based primarily on information gathered from forum banter. 

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Weird how free markets work. When your product is such demand that you can increase pricing and yet people still buy it and you still have a hard time keeping up with demand. Pretty sure if Atlas guns were no more reliable than any other top tier 2011 builder they would not have the demand they have for their product. It’s been my observation over the last three years that open guns are not reliable for the most part. I wonder why that is?  Is it due the ridiculous Power Factors ran through them? Is it due to the people running them have no clue on how to maintain them?  It would seem all 2011s manufacturers put out at least a few guns that are not perfect. Some more than others. What’s been curious about this thread is I have read like one actual Atlas owners mention they has an issue with their gun.  Mostly this thread is full of a bunch of people claiming they know someone who knows someone who’s gun had an issue.  Have I seen an Atlas have issues?  Yes, but Atlas worked with the owner of the gun until it was resolved and that has been only 1 gun of many Atlas I have seen used in competition. I have had zero issues with my Atlas. I have seen many others run their Altals guns with zero issue.  

 

When STI rebranded they stop servicing their open guns. I wonder why that is?  Maybe because they were loosing money every time an open gun came back for service. Do you think part of a companies business model to stay in business has to incorporate warranty cost into items they have sold and have to warranty?  

 

8k is a lot of money. More money than I am willing to plop down for an open gun, but it is a bit hilarious to watch this thread bash a product they do not own, have no intention of owning and boast about how many other 2011 builders always build perfect guns.

 

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@Boomstick303 why is it you think atlas stopped making open guns in the first place? The same reason you stated, warranty. They lost money on them. The vast majority of the guns they now make and sell are for the same market as staccato. That market doesn't typically put nearly as many rounds though the gun or in the same conditions as most of us. They also pursued getting the major PF for open reduced to 150PF. After that didn't work they decided to make a new open gun. 

 

As for the $8k range..... I find it particularly odd considering they make most of the major parts in house and thus should be saving a good ammount of money in both materials cost and labor times since they can machine everything to their spec. So fitting parts should be a lot faster and easier. CNC machining is if done correctly with proper controls in place much much more consistent then hand fitting. 

 

Either way I am sure people will buy them, and break them just like every other major builders guns. 

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12 hours ago, Posvar said:

I’m pretty disappointed in the “hyped” up underwhelming video that he did. The new technology in the SV open guns is a night and day difference over their older guns especially a 9mm. To me that’s worthy of some cool marketing which they didn’t even need to do a lot of. If you’re going to have a 2.0 then make it worthy of the name.

what thats not true they hired a well known porn star to handle marketing :D

if i wasnt a fan of sv before i def am now that they have her on board

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28 minutes ago, AverageJoeShooting said:

what thats not true they hired a well known porn star to handle marketing :D

if i wasnt a fan of sv before i def am now that they have her on board

Ouch. That hits home as it’s been bothering me for awhile. But I’ll keep this thing on course and stop there. 

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15 hours ago, Balakay said:

The home brewed short block guns will lose more $$ than an SV or similar. 

 

I don't know about that.  I'm pretty sure I could sell the backup I just built for what it cost me for parts.  It looks (and runs) just like a Brazos custom Open gun.  I suspect you would lose half of the 8k you spent on the stock Atlas Open gun when you try to sell it.

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Just now, zzt said:

 

I don't know about that.  I'm pretty sure I could sell the backup I just built for what it cost me for parts.  It looks (and runs) just like a Brazos custom Open gun.  I suspect you would lose half of the 8k you spent on the stock Atlas Open gun when you try to sell it.

They (Atlas) seem hard to sell even at 5k used 

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3 minutes ago, zzt said:

 

I don't know about that.  I'm pretty sure I could sell the backup I just built for what it cost me for parts.  It looks (and runs) just like a Brazos custom Open gun.  I suspect you would lose half of the 8k you spent on the stock Atlas Open gun when you try to sell it.

Maybe.  If you buy parts and do it all yourself (as you do).  

I suspect that a lightly used SVI (not an Atlas) will retain value better than a box of parts sent to the local smith. Trying to sell a 38SC 8K gun from another builder who will remain unnamed--bad financial proposition

 

I will know in ~2 years

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10 hours ago, CHA-LEE said:

This thread is entertaining.

 

If you have questions or concerns about a manufacturers product reach out to them directly and get your answers from the source. Or better yet, hop on a plane and go see the guns and build process in person. 
 

Or get random opinions from internet howler monkeys. 
 

Everyone is an adult here and has the choice of making informed decisions or not. Yes, there is a price for being lazy while expecting others to spoon feed you answers. More power to you if you are willing to throw down $8k for anything based primarily on information gathered from forum banter. 

I don't disagree with this premise but getting information from the guy selling the product has inherent bias.

 

I don't go to the Ford factory to buy a new truck.  I rely on the experience of others. I talk to my friends, I read reviews.  I participate on forums.  It is my job as a semi-educated consumer to attempt to separate the noise from reality.  This is not always easy.

 

  The "howler monkeys" of the internet clearly play a role in driving the reputation of multiple products across all sectors.  If hypothetically multiple people were complaining about product quality, CS, engines failing, slides cracking or whatever, it would certainly give me pause.  A site visit to the factory is not going to completely discount this information.

 

 

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I've had lots of different brands over the years. SV has always been a good seller on here.  Usually getting 75% or better of the purchase price.  Anything else and you seem to be lucky if you get 50%.  I've not tried to sell an Atlas as of yet and don't plan to.

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On 1/14/2022 at 1:24 PM, AverageJoeShooting said:

Yea for 8k I'm going with svi.

In fact for 8k I'd probably get a local builder to build two open guns 

 

Also for the record some of us old guys don't have Facebook or insta

 

LMFAO!!!!!!!

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2 hours ago, Posvar said:

They (Atlas) seem hard to sell even at 5k used 

Just sold my Chaos 1.0 in 9 Major with 3 mags for $5k. Had 8k rounds on it. Just for reference. And it has a lot of interest from others not just the final purchaser. 

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I had expected more innovation since the V1 had been out of production for a year or so. I thought there might be some SV Honcho tech blending. Its a good looking gun but seems like de stroking and steel comp is the big change. Can't wait for V3. Maybe it will come with cool Eddie Van Halen plastic grip? 

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I'm not a buyer of a V2 at the $8k price tag.  Had 2 open guns built in 2020 and am more than satisfied with them.  

 

I watched the video and all the comments on here.  The destroking thing has me wondering.  A regular gun is just a gun.  If a regular gun gets stroked then it is a stroked gun.  Wouldn't a destroked gun just be a gun again?

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5 minutes ago, aandabooks said:

I'm not a buyer of a V2 at the $8k price tag.  Had 2 open guns built in 2020 and am more than satisfied with them.  

 

I watched the video and all the comments on here.  The destroking thing has me wondering.  A regular gun is just a gun.  If a regular gun gets stroked then it is a stroked gun.  Wouldn't a destroked gun just be a gun again?

I "think" its less stroke and a standard 2011.  Something similar to short stroking a 9mm AR?  As long as it remains reliable, a shorter stroke should lead to faster splits in theory.

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