Heliarclee Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 What does everyone think of the 4 new classifiers? 19-01 through 19-04? They are on the USPSA website and the mobile app. All 4 have a movement element and are also all comsock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N3WWN Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I think they were fun to shoot and a better test of actual match skills than some of the older stages. When they were first announced, they were listed in the USPSA app, but the links didn't work. Glad that they fixed that between yesterday and today, but the images available in the app appear to be draft versions (missing some of the distances, markup lines extending longer than the PDF version, etc). PDF version: App version: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJinPass Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I believe these are a step in the right direction. They are really just small field courses, and as such, better represent the required skills of a real match. I hope more come soon. Having said that, the actual drawings and construction notes leave a bit to be desired. The issues are somewhat minor but as an example in 19-02 it says "NS are 'point to point' at the A zone letter." What exactly does point to point mean? If you line up some of the corners (points?) of the IPSC targets, the A zone perf marking is completely covered and then some. The 18-XX classifiers did a great job as showing exactly how to create partials both with hard cover and no-shoots. I Miss That Kind Of Clarity (aka 18-09). Sorry, i couldn't resist! But, thank you for the new classifers, USPSA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackCage Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I like these and agree that they are more of what I would like to see classifiers become. That said, I can see 19-01 and 19-02 shot a lot more just based on ease of setup. We see this a lot of past classifiers already. Everyone sets up the easy ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanb Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 No stand and shoot? I’m in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGGUNS Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Moving in the right direction, I like them. I hope this begins a trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 I only had one from Prod Nats that counted for me when I looked yesterday. 19-01 for 83.3%. 19-02 I was 61.5% 19-03 I was 69.8% 19-04 I was 76.6% I really only remember shooting -04 and only remember people shooting it 2 ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 The walls get shot a lot in 19-04. Also IIRC length of the start mark/stick is pretty important (at least we all started as far to one end as the RO would let us at at least one Nats) and mentioned nowhere in the web copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc68cal Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Much better than the 18 series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliarclee Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 6 hours ago, shred said: The walls get shot a lot in 19-04. Also IIRC length of the start mark/stick is pretty important (at least we all started as far to one end as the RO would let us at at least one Nats) and mentioned nowhere in the web copy. I could see that happening. I’ve only seen the drawings, but it looks like the location of that middle target between the two walls would lead to walls getting shot up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 IMO 19-04 is a lot more work that most months match MD’s are gonna want to do. the walls on 19-02 look like they’re not going to be easy to get right every time. I’m starting to think the stand and shoot are better. Just make new ones. Matches sort it all out anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustychev Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 On 1/23/2020 at 4:10 PM, B_RAD said: IMO 19-04 is a lot more work that most months match MD’s are gonna want to do. the walls on 19-02 look like they’re not going to be easy to get right every time. I’m starting to think the stand and shoot are better. Just make new ones. Matches sort it all out anyways. I think your right on 19-04 19-02 I dont think will be a big deal as the only thing the walls do is stop a 180 violation on the right and left targets. So as long as they are set to run up-range along the fault line it wont mater. The start position is heels touching real fault line Im guessing the way to shoot it is left and right front target then hall ass up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 12 hours ago, rustychev said: I think your right on 19-04 19-02 I dont think will be a big deal as the only thing the walls do is stop a 180 violation on the right and left targets. So as long as they are set to run up-range along the fault line it wont mater. The start position is heels touching real fault line Im guessing the way to shoot it is left and right front target then hall ass up front. I agree but I still thinks it’s possible that if they’re put up in a certain way, it could be possible to engage the back targets earlier/later. That would be an advantage/disadvantage. We shot 19-01 yesterday and the MD told me it was difficult to get the angles correct. He’s a very qualified MD. 19-01 has just one wall and it’s difficult. He took the time. I hate to say it, but most MD’s won’t. Not only that, they may not even be setting it up. A lot have helpers doing it. On another note, I shot 19-01 at Nats with a 95% run. Yesterday I shot it at around 110% yesterday. I was overly cautious at Nats. So, it’s not gonna be long before the new ones, that are easier to set up, will get inflated from being shot a lot at monthly matches and are just as high/hard. Then, we’re right back to seeing easier to set up old ones at every monthly. I’m kinda thinking the new classifiers are going to have the opposite affect. They’re easier since the HHF were set from Nats. People are going to shoot them and get higher % and get bumped. Then they’ll get updated and they’ll be higher and nobody will set them up unless they’re easier to set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I think the drawing on 19-02 has some goofy perspective thing going on. I thought the walls ran right along the fault lines at Nationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balakay Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, shred said: I think the drawing on 19-02 has some goofy perspective thing going on. I thought the walls ran right along the fault lines at Nationals. Correct. From the written description of the classifier: "Uprange walls placed right against faultline." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shep Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I just shot 19-03 this weekend and was surprised no mandatory reload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaylanGivens Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 6:02 PM, TrackCage said: I like these and agree that they are more of what I would like to see classifiers become. That said, I can see 19-01 and 19-02 shot a lot more just based on ease of setup. We see this a lot of past classifiers already. Everyone sets up the easy ones. Planned to shoot 19-02 at last Sundays monthly match... It was too wide for our narrow bays... Would have shoot throughs to our walls... Shot 19-01 instead... Shoot then run or shoot on the move... Fun classifier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regor Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Two of my local clubs used 19-02 at their most recent matches and a third is doing a classifier match with all four of the '19 series classifiers plus four others. The new ones definitely seem more burdensome to setup than most of the older classifiers, mainly just because you need walls of very specific dimensions. I suspect clubs will either choose not to set them up or the setup will be inconsistent between clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmo Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 I like the new classifiers...we shot all four of the new ones plus two others last weekend at our local club. Ran a little short of making Master....about 20 % short...but had a good time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_whole_lot_of_freedom Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Does anyone know when USPSA will get the app up and working with the new classifiers? Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alien_pickles Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 All of the clubs in my area have been running 19-04 recently. It's a solid stage. I'm concerned the ones coming out of 2020 nationals are looking very similar to this one and 19-01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bdh821 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I 100% 19-02 this past weekend in PCC. I even got it on video.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regor Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 On 9/8/2020 at 6:17 AM, alien_pickles said: All of the clubs in my area have been running 19-04 recently. It's a solid stage. I'm concerned the ones coming out of 2020 nationals are looking very similar to this one and 19-01 Any video links to the potential classifiers from 2020 nationals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpYoursPal Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Shot 19-01 and 19-04 yesterday in limited. Shooting 19-01 on the move in 6.83 netting me 88.15%, and hitting 19-04 in a spicy 6.87 for 97%. My first GM classifier! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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