grujo Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 i am interested why nobody makes frames an slides from Titanium. does anybody knows anything about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rnlinebacker Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Way more expensive material to machine and then sell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 https://americanhandgunner.com/gear/more-with-less-krytos-industries-titanium-glock-slides/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhittin Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 https://christensenarms.com/ They offer titanium as an option. It's double the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 been tried a few times over the years. It doesnt work out so well, parts gouge eachother. Not worth the tooling cost. Especially for frames that can be made of polymer with steel inserts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 STI made a Titanium-slide open gun 20+ years ago as a test. Galled and shot loose in short order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grujo Posted November 2, 2020 Author Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Joe4d said: been tried a few times over the years. It doesnt work out so well, parts gouge eachother. Not worth the tooling cost. Especially for frames that can be made of polymer with steel inserts. Do you think only Titanium slide,if i machine,will open gun run better,faster?price is not problem,only result Or stay with regular slide and lighten it max? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmella Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 On 11/2/2020 at 4:19 PM, grujo said: Do you think only Titanium slide,if i machine,will open gun run better,faster?price is not problem,only result Or stay with regular slide and lighten it max? You’re way over thinking this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hany Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I remember the titanium hammers of the 90's and their "superior lock time". They just didn't hold up. Caspian made titanium frames for a while, with mixed success, but other than cost, galling was a serious issue. All in all, good steel, that has been ported/lightened/hollowed, seems to hold up much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoops! Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 On 11/2/2020 at 1:29 PM, Joe4d said: been tried a few times over the years. It doesnt work out so well, parts gouge eachother. Not worth the tooling cost. Especially for frames that can be made of polymer with steel inserts. This. Yes, lighter slide = better when setup correctly for the same reason everyone wants the lightest bolt in an ar. I’m not sure why a lot of smiths set a lower weight limit of 10 ozs for cut 1911 slides - I think it was just to compensate for poor post preparation of material or perceived “harshness” - I would like to see a super light slide that is re heat treated after being cut and then cryogenically treated. Titanium has been tried so many times. The grades of titanium that have been tried just weren’t good enough. There are newer grades of super metals (even in the category of titanium) that haven’t been tried and that would probably work - but I’m not able to put out specific suggestions. It would be cool to see how a functioning and reliable 5 oz slide feels to shoot. Let me know if you are able to figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ming the Merciless Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 It's been tried several times as complete uppers for 1911's, and I believe at least once as a complete gun that only used a couple of 1911 parts. They used several different methods, but they all wound up with at least 9.5 oz of reciprocating weight. Any less and reliability suffered. There have been several designs similar to a S&W 41 or P38 with a fixed barrel and a only a small section of the slide reciprocating using a locking lever like the P38. Some had dual recoil springs like the P38, others had a single recoil spring. I think the only one that may actually be in production is the Hogue Avenger and the reciprocating weight is right at 10 oz IIRC. Slide velocity under 10 oz is too high for the magazines to keep up and if the slide velocity was reduced too much, the lightweight slide didn't retain enough energy to reliably return to battery. http://198.57.214.134/main/overview/avenger.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 19 hours ago, Ming the Merciless said: Slide velocity under 10 oz is too high for the magazines to keep up every time I think about how magazines work it amazes me that Autoloaders run at all let alone as well as they do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) SVI will (or would) build you a Tiki out of Titanium. Deluxe hideout gun with weird sights, not a high volume match gun. Caspian has a "carbidizing" surface finish supposed to wear well in titanium. The last generation of titanium hammers had steel inserts in the hammer hooks for durability of trigger pull. Edited November 6, 2020 by Jim Watson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ming the Merciless Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 I forgot about the Laugo Arms Alien pistol. It's a gas piston delayed blowback pistol. I do not know the slide weight, but I doubt it is much less than 9 oz. https://laugo.us/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Galvanic corrosion. Specialized machining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benevolence Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Titanium galls up like crazy. You’ve got to apply a coating to it, which is difficult to bond because of its oxide. It’s an incredibly difficult and funky material to deal with in every aspect. Nitriding or boriding the surface is likely your best option, but that has its own issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpolans Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 On 11/5/2020 at 1:17 AM, Hany said: I remember the titanium hammers of the 90's and their "superior lock time". They just didn't hold up. Caspian made titanium frames for a while, with mixed success, but other than cost, galling was a serious issue. All in all, good steel, that has been ported/lightened/hollowed, seems to hold up much better I still like the titanium hammers and their locktime is very quick. They do tend to wear a bit. I've still got a few stashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakerjd Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 PT makes a Ti grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dranoel Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Caspian still making titanium double stacks and will hand fit the slide so as to do a carbide treatment to the rails to prevent galling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltdmstr Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 On 2/3/2021 at 12:03 AM, mpolans said: I still like the titanium hammers and their locktime is very quick. Kinda find it hard to believe anyone can actually tell the difference in a couple thousandths of a second. It's just marketing hype and/or gun writer bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 2 hours ago, ltdmstr said: Kinda find it hard to believe anyone can actually tell the difference in a couple thousandths of a second. It's just marketing hype and/or gun writer bs. This ^^^^^. I will admit to using EGW Ti hammer struts and mainspring caps, but that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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