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  1. Time for an update. I gave the regular Gold Team another shot. NIB. A few differences from the old one I remember. One, trigger pull was heavier. About 4.5 to 5 pounds from factory. Looks like a Unica sear. I’m guessing it’s fully hardened as a result of the way it was fitted at the factory (filed down past finish on hammer engagement leg). As a result, I smoothed it over. 2.5 pounds and much less post travel. Feels like a completely different trigger but the parts are stock. After 2,000 rounds - trigger feels the same and there is zero wear on the slide and barrel lugs, I’m happy to report. Another difference from the old one - comp contacts slide from factory. I e-mailed EAA and told them I was afraid to shoot it since the contact could cause the slide or comp to crack. They replied and said that is the normal way they fit it and there are no issues they are aware of. We shall see.
  2. If it’s not complicated, then get us the numbers so we know exactly what the difference is. My predication is there won’t be much difference, even though some difference is to be expected.
  3. As stated - the majority of the chamber pressure is exerted on the barrel. Breech face wear occurs long before slide cracks in most open guns. The breech face wear is the evidence of the pressure applied against the slide when the round is initially fired. That initial force against the breech is not what is causing slides to crack in 9 major guns vs 38 super. If it were, manufacturers would put in lighter recoil springs to make slides last longer by allowing them to start moving and dissipating that initial force quicker. This one is pretty straightforward. The slide will move and dissipate that force as it is exerted and there is much less of the overall pressure exerted on the breech to begin with because of the surface area of high pressure brass exposed to the slide versus the barrel. Not only that, the slower powders will exert more force on the breech than the faster powders while the slide is locked up. It’s going to get very complicated if we look at fatigue points of the slide with a greater pressure for a shorter period of time than a lesser pressure for a longer period of time. But, I believe that once the calculations are done, you will see very little change in breech or slide fatigue from that initial force with fast versus slow powders operating at the same energy levels. The barrel will not move in the direction of the force vectors applied to it and it takes the majority of the pressure by encasing the ammo’s expansion chamber to begin with. The slide also has the benefit of the back of the case which will essentially act as a brass recoil buffer. So, when does the slide want to crack? When it impacts the rear of the frame.
  4. I see a lot of people thinking 9 major is cracking more slides than 38 super because of chamber pressure. Why? Chamber pressure is exerted mostly on the barrel (the chamber, ironically). Slower powders exert more total pressure even though the pressure peak is higher with faster powders. So, slower powders may wear out barrel and slide lugs faster and still not do what people are intending - preserve the slide. The main difference that I believe people are looking for is that slower powders tend to exert more pressure on the comp, potentially slowing down the timing of the slide and forcing it to move slower in open guns. 38 super exerts even more pressure on the comp, slowing down the slide further. What we should really be looking for as a culprit for slide cracking in 9 major is slide speed. So, what are some things we could do to counter act slide cracking/speed in 9 major? Not mill so much off the slide, obviously, but this is less practical since we still want optimal performace. Or even better: Use a larger comp (It doesn’t have to be heavier, just have more surface area - remember, 9 major exerts less pressure on the comp, so the gun unlocks sooner and the slide moves faster - as a result of the lower comp pressure, we could use less material thickness in order to keep the comp the same weight and trade off some long term comp durability for some long term slide durability, a fair trade for many people with cracked slides) If I were a gunsmith, I would offer a 9 major comp specifically with larger expansion chambers than 38 super.
  5. I want to use .380 load data to make very weak 9mm loads. Same bullet weight and powder, very deeply seated in a 9mm case. Has anyone tried it?
  6. Looks like the whole extruded vs billet thing was bumpkis. Got this from Tanfoglio headquarters today: we received your message and we thank you. No, the steel is the same. The difference is in the surface treatment: hard chroming in regular Gold Custom, gun coating in the Xtreme one. Then all the Xtreme parts. Thanks Best Regards / Cordiali SalutiCustomer Service
  7. I had a G45 open gun running for a week when I won B at a level III area match with it. I had the fastest time of anyone on a single shot per target, 16 shot prop style stage. I was in the top times for a short round count classifier type stage. With some practice and effort, I realistically could pull a 90% with it. I was running major with coated lead bullets, an off brand, fully supported, threaded barrel, and stock slide. I was running Carver’s M&P major comp because I bought it on clearance and got it to fit after I cut off the guide rod loop. I bought most things used or on clearance. My total investment, including the cost of the Holosun 510C, and the magazines, was approximately $900. If you want a Glock open gun, get a Glock open gun.
  8. Yeah, I believe there’s more to it than what’s readily advertised and that’s why the Xtremes can cost over twice as much. This is a long post about how Tanfoglio slides are extruded and finished: https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/eaa-witness-still-cracking-or-improved.625113/ This is an article that says the Xtreme slides are billet and they use Lothar Walther barrels: https://www.all4shooters.com/en/shooting/pistols/tanfoglio-xtreme-semiautomatic-pistols/
  9. On those notes, anyone know if the xtreme’s barrel is hand fit? I don’t know any gunsmiths in my area that I can trust to do a proper timing job on a barrel - DFW. Also, I read an article which stated the xtreme slide and barrel are made out of a stronger metal than the standard. Another reason I’m considering the upgrade. Thanks
  10. I will take the 165. What FFL should I ship this Raven .25 to?
  11. Is more expensive since they merged with Bass Pro? Also, I just went in there to try to sell a gun worth at least $620 on their shelf. They offered me $150. I don’t think I’m going to go to Cabelas anymore.
  12. 1. is the best choice No doubt, you will see more of the best shooters using that setup at major matches than any of the others you listed and there is a reason. Less flip.
  13. Whenever I see anything with round nosediving related to magazines, I immediately think adjust the feed lips. And it’s always worked for me in the past.
  14. Hi, anyone using a regular Gold Team or an Xtreme Gold Team? I’m looking to get another because of how well the platform does, but the last regular gold team I had destroyed the barrel lugs and slide after just a few thousand rounds. Not sure if it was a timing issue because all of the lugs appeared to be wearing evenly. This was about 10 years ago, so a lot has changed. I’d rather just spend 1700 on a regular gold team if it will hold up better now. But if xtreme is the only way to go, I appreciate the info. Thanks.
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