-JCN- Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Racinready300ex said: No one really knows, Yee-min won the election but that doesn't mean he'll be president. As of right now he's not even eligible to be president. If the BOD doesn't give him back his RO certification he can't take office. So if that happen he'll likely resign from the position on day 1. Then, does Ted stay president? Or does the current VP/A2D Leighton become president and then the BOD will appoint a new VP. I'd assume VP becomes president, then special election for new A2D? Plus another election for president maybe? How much do the elections cost us? That was my suspicion of why they let him run again… it’s a vote for status quo because they’ll just rinse and repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 you have to remember, the board gave all the power to the board. the prez is nothing but a bit player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 26 minutes ago, outerlimits said: you have to remember, the board gave all the power to the board. the prez is nothing but a bit player. This is true, the prez isn't nearly what it used to be. It'll certainly be interesting to see how the next couple months play out. I'd assume the next meeting they'll decide on YML's RO creds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GringoBandito Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 What happened that stripped the president of the power in USPSA? When did that happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 They split the job into the pres position and the executive director position and cut the pay of the pres position after Foley was booted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted October 5, 2023 Author Share Posted October 5, 2023 Simplest description ... Earlier this year YML was working a major match and engaged in what, to use a military term, was conduct unbecoming. A complaint was filed and investigated. Several meetings were held by the board and YML. The end result was YML lost his RO status and, as such, was no longer eligible to be President. Officially, he resigned. A subsequent election has been held and he has won reelection. However, per the current bylaws he must be a certified RO before he can again assume office. There are several NROI RO classes between now and the end of December whereby he can, in theory, accomplish this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unibrain Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 With all of the special elections over the past 3 years, I’ve lost track of all the current terms and what positions are up next. I’ve scoured the USPSA website and am unable to find the current AD terms and when they are up for reelection. Does anyone have a pointer are can you refresh me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted October 5, 2023 Author Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Unibrain said: With all of the special elections over the past 3 years, I’ve lost track of all the current terms and what positions are up next. I’ve scoured the USPSA website and am unable to find the current AD terms and when they are up for reelection. Does anyone have a pointer are can you refresh me? Go to this page on the USPSA website and scroll to the bottom: Contact Us - USPSA.ORG It lists all the positions and the next election for each one. Edited October 5, 2023 by Schutzenmeister typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unibrain Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 14 minutes ago, Schutzenmeister said: Go to this page on the USPSA website and scroll to the bottom: Contact Us - USPSA.ORG It lists all the positions and the next election for each one. Of all the places I looked I didn't look in the obvious. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 What's sad is the low vote count. Seems to me most shooters couldn't care less who runs the USPSA YML with 2762 votes and Luigi with 2650. Only 5442 votes out of 26,007 eligible voters. A6 Director was close too Ben Berry with 668 and Kyle Stephens with 609 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alvin Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 4 hours ago, stick said: votes out of 26,007 eligible voters. I thought that back in December during the board's information concerning the poll on rule changes they mentioned a membership of 36,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Not all members are eligible to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltdmstr Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 5 hours ago, stick said: What's sad is the low vote count. Seems to me most shooters couldn't care less who runs the USPSA The President has zero power to do anything. The board has full control. And given the election cycle for ADs, it's multiple years to make any meaningful change there. Most members that might otherwise vote realise this, so they don't bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 56 minutes ago, shred said: Not all members are eligible to vote. @shred what would make so many not eligible to vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Not being members for 12 months most likely, live outside the US, etc. The bylaws that govern that are on the USPSA web page. There is a lot of turnover in the membership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Quoted from the USPS(A?) email Results are in for the Presidential and Area 6 Elections The results are in for the Presidential and Area 6 Elections. Congratulations to Yee-min Lin for winning the Presidential election and Ben Berry for winning the Area 6 Director election. The start date for each will be January 1, 2024 unless the Board of Directors decides otherwise. Nolan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lroy Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 4 hours ago, Hoops said: @shred what would make so many not eligible to vote? I let mine lapse for a few days and wasn't elligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted October 8, 2023 Author Share Posted October 8, 2023 53 minutes ago, Nolan said: Quoted from the USPS(A?) email Results are in for the Presidential and Area 6 Elections The results are in for the Presidential and Area 6 Elections. Congratulations to Yee-min Lin for winning the Presidential election and Ben Berry for winning the Area 6 Director election. The start date for each will be January 1, 2024 unless the Board of Directors decides otherwise. Nolan What's your point? Unless I'm mistaken the board has always had this authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varminter22 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Schutzenmeister said: What's your point? Unless I'm mistaken the board has always had this authority. The Board has always had the authority to NOT seat a DULY elected candidate??? Somehow that doesn't seem right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben3 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Schutzenmeister said: the board has always had this authority Bylaws are pretty clear. Terms start January 1st for regular elections. Article 6.1.iii for President and 6.2.iii for Area Directors. For special elections (electing someone to fill a prematurely vacated seat), the Board votes on when the winner will start (6.6, last paragraph). But for regular elections there's no such language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted October 8, 2023 Author Share Posted October 8, 2023 I'm not an expert here, but I would think the following from the Bylaws 6.5 covers the situation, and has been there for a very long time: Quote In the event of any unanticipated election issue not covered by the bylaws, the USPSA Board shall determine the appropriate solution via a special board meeting. Individuals who are up for re-election shall abstain from any election-related vote at such a special meeting. I suspect the situation with YML could very easily fall under this provision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted December 2, 2023 Author Share Posted December 2, 2023 Well ... The BoD has come up with an unusual solution: - YML will be reinstated as an RO effective 31 Dec. - Then in, separate vote, they decided (apparently for legal/liability reasons) he's reinstated BUT cannot work as an RO in any capacity while he is the President. Not personally commenting ... Just reporting what the November 27 board meeting minutes said ... Assuming I understood them correctly. Apparently YML will take office on 1 January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 40 minutes ago, Schutzenmeister said: Well ... The BoD has come up with an unusual solution: - YML will be reinstated as an RO effective 31 Dec. - Then in, separate vote, they decided (apparently for legal/liability reasons) he's reinstated BUT cannot work as an RO in any capacity while he is the President. Not personally commenting ... Just reporting what the November 27 board meeting minutes said ... Assuming I understood them correctly. Apparently YML will take office on 1 January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 So he's both an RO, and not an RO.... Schrödinger's RO ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Hmm.. he ROed the US IPSC Nats a couple weeks ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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