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  1. In another topic about SCSA, several folks remarked about SCSA having it's own RO Certification program. Similarities do exist between the two, but often they get intertwinded. I would like to see a separate program. Since this discussion was about "shot's fired", AD's, DQ, etc for SCSA only, I thought I would toss in another example that could raise a question. Under 10.1 Prodedural Penalities is 10.1.1 Creeping. Specifially which reads: "In the event that a competitor begins his attempt at the course of fire prematurely ("false start" prior the the issuance of the start signal) the Range Officer will, as soon as possible, stop and restart the competitor once the course of fire has been restored. Attempt means the gun is drawn and/or shots fired, but the timer has not been started." In this case, a competitor can jump the RO's signal and get a shot(s) off before the buzzer goes off and not be within the timed COF......and not be an AD or penalty.....or DQ. With low-ready guns, this could happen......clearly it has happened otherwise probably would not have been written.
  2. Thank you. This helped me understand a bit more. I understood from the numerous posts that Area Directors are related to USPSA (the sport). I haven't read, and could be wrong, but I don't perceive that there is an exclusive SCSA (the sport) serving as AD. In fact, the response from HQ was Areas and Sections are exclusive to USPSA the sport and SCSA does not have Areas or Sections. I have had only 2 thoughts about SCSA and they were a 2-3 second penalty for disabled shooters on OL and whether or not SCSA should consider adding 1 to 2 additional official stages that would give more options to ranges that can't physically fit OL and SO. Many people that I have spoken with think this would benefit SCSA but none that I spoke to actually knew anyone to go to with the idea. It was this thought from my other post lead me down the path of thinking about this post.....should SCSA have it's own BOD (AD's). Perhaps you Zach should have a seat at the table and your position noted in the SCSA website? You have the passion for the sport and know a lot of people and would be a great "go to person" .......so giving you a vote and a voice seems logical (to me) for SCSA. Thank you.
  3. Zach, compared to many who have commented in this post I am relatively new to understanding the SCSA/USPSA heiarchy, including AD's and where they are, SC's. I may not have been looking in the right places, but since you have a USPSA.org email address, I have been unable to find you in the SCSA/USPSA websites. When you reply to the post comments, for those of us who may not be aware of your role with SCSA, perhaps a short overview would be helpful. Glad to hear your deadline pressures have eased up. Thanks
  4. I found this older post. Is the Precision Target Pistol grip shown just the magwell attachment? Thanks, Hoops
  5. This poll ends tomorrow, 9/15/2021 at 9:00 pm Central Time. Based on activity, it appears this post may have run it's course. I was hoping that the total number of votes would reach 100 but as of today, the number is 64. Perhaps this will increase during the final hour before the poll closes.
  6. There have been a lot of comments regarding OL in this post.....one being the size and many ranges can't physically shoot it (SO as well). With only 7,800 SCSA members in the entire U.S. (per USPSA board report for 2020), I believe one or two more official stages would be a positive change to encourage more new shooters and to give more ranges the ability to shoot more official stages at their matches. But.....not changing the principle of the sport which is 5 strategicly placed targets with 5 strings with emphais on speed and accuracy. Leave WSS as is for year or two as an option.
  7. If you are reading this, please vote. The more votes we have in this poll will give some basis for approaching SCSA.org on the subject. Poll closes 9/15/21 thereabouts. By the way........9-11-21 is Saturday. Never Forget.
  8. You summed up this topic nicely. One or two additional official stages, in my opinion and the reason for this poll, would add a new outlook for the SC and I believe would encourage more shooters. When I was able to shoot USPSA, it was 1 classifier then 5 free form stages that changes from match to match. Let's give some more options to SC and still maintain it's principles of speed and accuracy.
  9. I have a different opinion about Outer Limits which I have mentioned before. In our area we have large group of active, retired and disabled veterans. SCSA is an excellent format for disabled vets and other disabled shooters.......with the exception of OL. 4 second penalty per string or 12 second penalty for the stage does not truely reflect their shooting skills. All of the other stages, even if in a wheelchair allows these folks an equal chance to shoot to their shooting skill level......but no way they can manuver a wheel chair over the shooting boxes without a lot of effort.....and time on the clock. There are other reasonable reasons that perhaps should give thought to the only odd stage we have in SC. Thanks
  10. This poll is still open. Moderators for Enos, based on their policy, wanted to leave it open instead of closing.
  11. I was asking USPSA who the Area 4 AD and SC was for SCSA and was surprised by the answer. It never occurred to me that the USPSA areas was specifically for USPSA. I guess it has never come up before.
  12. Directly from USPSA HQ today after I questioned the first email. 2nd Email from USPSA: I will confirm again, SCSA clubs are not in sections or areas. Areas and Sections ONLY apply to USPSA Clubs technically. The matches naming themselves Area X championship is a geographical reference and those matches are simply a Tier II or Tier III SCSA Match. 3rd Email from a higher up USPSA than Email 2: Individual clubs are not assigned to a section or area. However, Tier 3 matches can requested to be sanctioned as an area championship, regional, or nationals. Tier 2 can request to be section/state championship and this is under appendix A1 in the rules and policies for sanctioned these events. I am only the messenger in this as this post made me curious of how SCSA is structured. So I asked HQ and these were the replies.
  13. As this topic has progressed there has been additional information directly from USPSA HQ today. Today it was learned that SC is not structured with Area’s and AD’s. Consequently, the BOD for SCSA is made up of USPSA Corporate and 8 USPSA AD’s. So under this structure, another Enos member posed the question of should SCSA have its own separate BOD representatives. A reasonable question resulting in a variety of responses.
  14. Excellent idea. I did shoot the Area 4 Texas match and met some good folks there. It was a fun and organized match. Covid prevented me from going to WSS 2020 and 2021 but I’m planning to go to 2022 and the April 2022 Area 4 match back in Texas. nothing beats personal talks......especially when it involves shooting sports. FWIW......I’ve learned today that SCSA is not structured with areas and AD’s. The references to Areas is just for geographical references related to sanctioned (USPSA.org approved) Level III or II matches. Ideas, suggestions, etc should be forwarded directly to Headquarters. thanks
  15. I decided after I sent the email to also phone Headquarters to speak with the person about this. I am waiting on a phone call. Hopefully it was just a wording issue and not literal.
  16. Ok. I said I would not ask again.....but not wanting to add any untrue information, I did just now ask for a clarification if the text was meant to be as written or were they perhaps trying to indicate SCSA falls under the USPSA links and AD's. I will let you know what the reply is.
  17. For the benefit of doubt of wording: Perhaps it should have said that separate Area AD's and Area's are not defined specifically for SCSA and instead SCSA falls under the USPSA Area's and AD shown in the USPSA website. Perhaps that is what was meant.
  18. The link is for USPSA AD's and under USPSA website. I can only read the text that was written. It is right? Is it wrong? Was it confusingly worded? I do not know. I do know that I won't be asking again. Thanks
  19. I have had several email with USPSA.org on the subject of Area Directors, Section Coordinators, directory, etc. I received the following reply this morning. I am not including the names of the folks at USPSA Headquarters who replied (there were 2 of them involved with my request for info). Here is the reply....exactly as I received it: "SCSA clubs are not in sections or areas. Areas and Sections ONLY apply to USPSA Clubs. So for this reason, there is not Area Map on the SCSA website. To find your Area Director, please use this tool: https://uspsa.org/areas" Not much more I can add.
  20. This may go to the heart of why this topic was started. There are many people who have a passion for SCSA and there are many examples of why people feel that their voice or representation from USPSA.org is not on equal status with USPSA(the sport). It's not that something is broken or needs to be fixed but simple things like discussing things that could improve SCSA and not having an advocate to go to. I love USPSA....but I am broken down with too much metal in my body to handle it anymore. SCSA is great from me......I enjoy the speed and the challenge of only Alpha's or Mike's. But rarely have I had a discussion with a USPSA shooter about things that may improve SCSA matches. So this brings us back to the original question of adding to the BOD's.....which is really adding AD's. As far as SC's.....most people don't even know there are SC's. I do believe that it would be a positive addition to the the whole organization to have AD's that represent both shooting diciplines. But that's from my perspective which may not be in the majority of SCSA shooters. Meanwhile......I will shoot as many SCSA a month as I can....for as long as I can. Thanks.
  21. Thanks for quick response. The reason for my question is wondering where his focus is. So far, I have managed to locate one AD and one SC. The clubs they are affilated with are USPSA. Do they sometimes shoot a SCSA match......yes. But their focus and "passion" is USPSA. Is this how your SC is? Thanks
  22. Good morning, You reference your SC keeps in touch with 6 or so USPSA clubs in your section. Does your SC shoot or is involved in any of your local SCSA matches? Thanks
  23. Makes sense to me. SC more involved at the local level than the overall AD. I'm trying to locate ours.....if any....for Area 4. Thank you
  24. I initially voted yes in this poll re: more BOD's but after reading several posts, I decided to do some reseach. The notations below are from the Bylaws posted on the SCSA website under member resources specifically for Area Coordinators. What I have not been able to locate is a list of names of Coordinators within Area 4 (or any other Area). I have asked SCSA.org for the info. No reply yet. When I get the info, I will share it. If anyone else has the info for Area 4, please let me know the name. ARTICLE 11 ‐ AREA DIVISIONS: There shall be established within the United States certain geographical designations known as Areas. Each Area may be further divided into two or more Sections. The Board of Directors shall determine the number and composition of Areas, subject to Article 6 of these bylaws. ARTICLE 12 ‐ SECTIONS: A Section is a state or geographical area that contains a minimum of two affiliated clubs and is chartered by the corporation. 12.1 Chartering of Section: The President may charter a Section either upon application of the clubs within a defined geographical area or he may split an existing Section upon the recommendation of the Area Director. The Area Director shall appoint a Section Coordinator to administer a Section until the clubs hold an election therein. 12.2 Section Coordinators: The Section Coordinator shall be elected by the member clubs within his assigned Section, on the basis of one vote per member, or member club, as determined by the Section bylaws. The Section Coordinator's term of office shall be determined by the Section bylaws, and Sections must hold an election at least every two years. It is the responsibility of the Section Coordinator and the member clubs to organize and conduct an election each regular two year election cycle for their respective Section. 12.3 Purpose: The Section is the local link to USPSA for the shooter and section clubs. The Section Coordinator is responsible for insuring that every activity within the section represents the best traditions and standards of USPSA. Coordinator supports the development of new shooters and new clubs by providing information, support and guidance
  25. I have seen a few comments relative to "section coordinator" within each Area. Section Coordinator's are defined in the bylaws as designated to be within each Area and not across Area boundries (unless special circumstances). Question: Does anyone know of a Section Coordinator within your Area and what they actually do? This is an elected position but I don't recall an election within Area 4 for a Thanks..........
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