No Montana Gold for months

[Cuz]

9mm 124gr JHP currently in stock. 
 

[mscott]

On 11/1/2021 at 11:44 AM, Cuz said:

9mm 124gr JHP currently in stock. 
 

Available now

[ohsevenflhx]

Try RMR Bullets. I've been using them for a couple years now. Good quality about same price as MG.

https://www.rmrbullets.com/product-category/bullets/pistol/9mm-355/

[motosapiens]

On 10/8/2021 at 1:11 PM, blueeyedme said:

this is the first time I've seen a bullet shortage.

 

blue bullets was 4-8 weeks behind most of last year, but they are caught up now.

[Matt.O]

After no luck for the last 18 months I snagged a case of 124gr HPs today at around 11am CST.  They were sold out by the time I completed my order.

[RangerTrace]

RMR is the only place I've been able to find jacketed bullets on a regular basis.  But, I'm not buying any more until I can find primers on a regular basis......

[gerritm]

When I had my open guns I shot these for years from Everglades 124gr JHP. Shows in stock  I have shot thousand of rounds of their plated bullets in my PCC's.

 

https://www.evergladesammo.com/bullets.html?bullet_style=265&caliber=6&cat=14&grain_weight=222

 

gerritm

[andyivan]

Everglades and RMR are usually in stock.  Can't imagine Montana Gold is that much better but they sure charge as such. 

[NoSteel]

Precision Delta showing both their old profile and new profile 9MM In stock FMJ, JHP..

[Terp]

I see 124gr on sale daily (check around 9:05am); however, it's been a LONG time since I have snagged some 147gr CMJs.  In stock now, but not for long...for those interested:

 

https://montanagoldbullet.com/9mm-147gr-cmj-3-000ct-case/

 

 

[edit] annnnnnd, they're gone.

 

...but the 9:05am is good intel for those in the market for 124gr, which is about the only 9mm offering I see being listed each day. 

Edited March 21, 2022 by Terp

[iflyskyhigh]

I talked to the owner there about 4-5 months ago. 
 

He said he can’t find anyone to work and that the 124gr JHP was the only thing he was able to produce due to man power shortage.

 

Maybe he is slowly beginning to bring the some other offerings online?

[SlvrDragon50]

Tempted to switch over to Blue Bullets because it's difficult to get ACME.

[Terp]

MG 147s went in stock again for the second day in a row...good sign.

 

https://montanagoldbullet.com/9mm-147gr-cmj-3-000ct-case/

[kamber]

On 2/25/2022 at 9:48 AM, andyivan said:

Everglades and RMR are usually in stock.  Can't imagine Montana Gold is that much better but they sure charge as such. 

 
While they're all quality products, MG has been cheaper per round than Everglades, Precision Delta, and RMR for JHPs since 2020 (when bought by the case or largest quantity increment offered). Took a quick look just now and that seems to still be the case.

Edited March 22, 2022 by kamber

[Sarge]

2 hours ago, kamber said:

 
While they're all quality products, MG has been cheaper per round than Everglades, Precision Delta, and RMR for JHPs since 2020 (when bought by the case or largest quantity increment offered). Took a quick look just now and that seems to still be the case.

Unless the price difference is stupid different I tend to buy bullets from companies that keep them available when times like this pop up. For me that means Precision Delta and Black Bullets International 

[kamber]

3 hours ago, Sarge said:

Unless the price difference is stupid different I tend to buy bullets from companies that keep them available when times like this pop up. For me that means Precision Delta and Black Bullets International 

 
Oh absolutely. The price difference isn't too significant either, 1-3 cents per round maximum between MG, PD, RMR, and Everglades. It's great to even have in-stock options available given how scarce components have been lately. I'm thankful to have loaded up on everything back in the early days of the pandemic.

[Terp]

 

MG didn't jack up their price prior to the cost of inputs rising like some of the opportunists out there (probably why they sell out every morning), not to mention CMJ surely costs more to produce than the other offerings out there...love my sexy Golds and the 3SD ammo they produce.

 

[Tom Freeman]

Keep in mind what MG did following Sandy Hook.

[iflyskyhigh]

2 hours ago, Terp said:

 

MG didn't jack up their price prior to the cost of inputs rising like some of the opportunists out there (probably why they sell out every morning), not to mention CMJ surely costs more to produce than the other offerings out there...love my sexy Golds and the 3SD ammo they produce.

 

So, if all the major manufacturers are within about a penny of each other now, and MG didn’t raise their prices, who was charging more before all this started?

[Terp]

147s back in stock just now...hoping they lift the 1 case/week limit soon:

 

https://montanagoldbullet.com/9mm-147gr-cmj-3-000ct-case/

 

 

[Ed F]

Got tired of MG a couple of years ago after another major event. It would have been nice if they let their long time customers have first dibs on stock.

[kamber]

17 hours ago, iflyskyhigh said:

So, if all the major manufacturers are within about a penny of each other now, and MG didn’t raise their prices, who was charging more before all this started?

Understanding that your post may have likely been rhetorical, incase it wasn't:

It was pretty much the same situation — all the well-regarded JHP manufacturers were pretty close in terms of cost in 2019.

For 124gr JHPs, I think PD was 8.8 cpr back then and MG was the same 9.6 cpr that it is today. I don't remember what RMR or Everglades were cpr-wise, on account of immediately eliminating them from consideration after calculating them to be more expensive than PD and MG (not by much, but I figured why bother paying even a fraction more when PD and MG's were available for less and already top-flight).

Nowadays, PD is 10.6 cpr and MG remains at 9.6 cpr. They've flip flopped on who is the cheapest out of the two, but are still within 1 cpr of each other.

I think the majority of reloaders consider both brands to be of excellent quality and on par with each other, so outside of brand preference (seems as though there is a decent amount of badblood among the community with regard to MG as a business) I'd imagine that for many people it just comes down to cost and availability. For JHPs, MG availability was significantly better than PD during 2020. No idea about 2021 as I never looked. PD availability seems significantly better than MG for 2022 so far.

Edited March 23, 2022 by kamber

[iflyskyhigh]

5 minutes ago, kamber said:

Understanding that your post may have likely been rhetorical, incase it wasn't:

It was pretty much the same situation — all the well-regarded JHP manufacturers were pretty close in terms of cost in 2019.

For 124gr JHPs, I think PD was 8.8 cpr back then and MG was the same 9.6 cpr that it is today. I don't remember what RMR or Everglades were cpr-wise, on account of immediately eliminating them from consideration after calculating them to be more expensive than PD and MG (not by much, but I figured why bother paying even a fraction more when PD and MG's were available for less and already top-flight).

Nowadays, PD is 10.6 cpr and MG remains at 9.6 cpr. They've flip flopped on who is the cheapest out of the two, but are still within 1 cpr of each other.

I think the majority of reloaders consider both brands to be of excellent quality and on par with each other, so outside of brand preference (seems as though there is a decent amount of badblood among the community with regard to MG as a business) I'd imagine that for many people it just comes down to cost and availability. For JHPs, MG availability was significantly better than PD during 2020. No idea about 2021 as I never looked. PD availability seems significantly better than MG for 2022 so far.

Yes. It was. You made my point. Thank you.

 

PD/RMR/Everglades were all the same in the before times. RMR and Everglades had great holiday sales. You could JHPs for less than $.08/each on sale in bulk.

 

No more sales. Everyone is less than cent difference now. Did just pick up 2000 PD 115 JHP V2 for $.095 each yesterday, otherwise PD is most expensive now. But again we're talking about a penny.

 

I have no skin in the game. I buy from whoever has the cheapest per bullet price for the bullet I need. They all work great. I do like that RMRs JHP reliably expand at the appropriate velocity.

[kamber]

9 minutes ago, iflyskyhigh said:

I have no skin in the game. I buy from whoever has the cheapest per bullet price for the bullet I need. They all work great.

I'm the same way.

 

 

Btw, apparently the PD V1 JHP's have decent expansion characteristics — this was posted by @Ssanders224 in a different thread years ago:

"Fired into calibrated 10% ballistic gelatin, through FBI spec “heavy cloth” barrier. 13” of penetration."

Edited March 23, 2022 by kamber

[iflyskyhigh]

2 minutes ago, kamber said:

I'm the same way.

 

 

Btw, apparently the PD V1 JHP's have decent expansion characteristics — this was posted by @Ssanders224 in a different thread years ago:

"Fired into calibrated 10% ballistic gelatin, through FBI spec “heavy cloth” barrier. 13” of penetration."

Thank you. I was unaware of that. I think I still have a 1000 of so of the V1s. I'll have to do a little experimenting.

 

I wonder how the V2s fair. I like that profile better.

Edited March 23, 2022 by iflyskyhigh