IHAVEGAS Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Superkaratemonkeyfighter said: I guess CZ isnt sold on the bull barrels. Not sure why everybody else is. Me either. Les Baer guarantees everything to do a 3" group at 50 yards and for an adder 1.5" at 50 , so the bull is not about practical accuracy in a pistol. Maybe longevity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regor Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Anyone know if these are still going to use the TSO/TS mags? Seems weird that they are launching it without any .40 models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 So, is this replacing the TSO? Or is it just a revamped TS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncie21 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, regor said: Anyone know if these are still going to use the TSO/TS mags? Seems weird that they are launching it without any .40 models. The link on P1 was to CZ's website in CZ. I don't believe .40's are all that popular (perhaps not legal?) in EU. I'd imagine once they plan the EU rollout you'll see the .40 version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George16 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, regor said: Anyone know if these are still going to use the TSO/TS mags? Seems weird that they are launching it without any .40 models. I bet it’ll still use the TSO/TS/Czechmate mags since the frame looks the same. CZ could have updated it with the shadow 2 style mag release with pad (since the adapted the extended safety) and TSO’s aluminum trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoRivera Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 On 11/16/2020 at 3:59 PM, WildPete said: Here's the link for the TS 2. Different colors, type 2 and 3 thumb rests aggressive checkering. I was hoping to see if the magwell would be blended in their little presentation. https://www.czub.cz/en/firearms-and-products-family/cz-ts-2#property In these animations, it looks like it uses the same TS mags as before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
858 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 43 minutes ago, George16 said: I bet it’ll still use the TSO/TS/Czechmate mags since the frame looks the same. CZ could have updated it with the shadow 2 style mag release with pad (since the adapted the extended safety) and TSO’s aluminum trigger. It only looks like aesthetic changes to me. The current TSO comes with all of the features the TS2 Green is shown with on CZ's site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George16 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, 858 said: It only looks like aesthetic changes to me. The current TSO comes with all of the features the TS2 Green is shown with on CZ's site. Sure is. The TS2 Green looks like it’s the upgraded version of the TS2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncie21 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 The Tactical Sport was removed from CZ's 2020 catalog, although TSO is still listed. Looks like CZ are preparing to release an improved TS, while still keeping the TSO. With this in mind, I'd expect minor changes to the TSO also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George16 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, muncie21 said: The Tactical Sport was removed from CZ's 2020 catalog, although TSO is still listed. Looks like CZ are preparing to release an improved TS, while still keeping the TSO. With this in mind, I'd expect minor changes to the TSO also. That will be good since the DWX is still light years away from being made or released . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 15 hours ago, muncie21 said: The link on P1 was to CZ's website in CZ. I don't believe .40's are all that popular (perhaps not legal?) in EU. I'd imagine once they plan the EU rollout you'll see the .40 version. Lots of Europeans are using .40 for Major. No particular legal issues with the caliber (as long as you can get a handgun permit.... ) It just looks like many like 9mm even in IPSC Divisions where Major is possible. And people play other pistol games too, where Major does not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasthenk65 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 At CZUB website you see it comes in .40 and 9mm... Nevertheless in Europe nobody buys a .40 anyway, the caliber is dying soon. I understand why since .40 is a difficult brass to prepare and expensive. 9mm makes more fun and sense (hello IPSC wake up). I see one new class for 9mm arising.... More logical... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrd Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) On 11/17/2020 at 6:46 PM, IHAVEGAS said: Me either. Les Baer guarantees everything to do a 3" group at 50 yards and for an adder 1.5" at 50 , so the bull is not about practical accuracy in a pistol. Maybe longevity? The advantage of the bull barrel is mostly to build more static weight out front, helps with recoil. Also, the cone lockup makes for a tight fit and helps accuracy, but a well fitted straight barrel locks up just as tightly and will be just as accurate. Key words are "well fitted", not every barrel is. The weight out front also makes for a more nose-heavy gun, which is not for everyone, even though it does tame recoil and muzzle flip. In practice, the differences are small. But given a choice, I'll go with the bull barrel. Every bit helps. Edited November 19, 2020 by mrd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FALAR Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 I never understood the argument that the bull barrel is heavier. To make room for the thicker barrel, material is removed from the slide. I compared the weight of my Stock III and Limited Custom. Both upper assemblies are within a few tenths of an oz of each other, just one has more in the barrel and the other the slide. Now if you're in the "less slide mass is better camp" then the bull barrel dies give you that----same weight up front but with a lighter slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 cz team. new ts2 frame and old type slide from TSO. better ergonomic ? frame ? yes. new slide type like on SH2 ? not for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goshimu Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) Looks like he engaged the safety on that run. In full agreement regarding the slide profile yigal. I share the same thoughts about the spo1 shadow and s2. Edited November 20, 2020 by goshimu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) Earlier version of the CZ team Standard gun, this is from 2010. Edited November 20, 2020 by eerw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 31 minutes ago, eerw said: Earlier version of the CZ team Standard gun, this is from 2010. What a bureaucracy. They finally found the old drawings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 25 minutes ago, yigal said: What a bureaucracy. They finally found the old drawings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 28 minutes ago, eerw said: actually this TS looks like copy of Antonin Zendl high quality gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 18 hours ago, goshimu said: Looks like he engaged the safety on that run.... That reminds me. There's something about CZ safety levers that prevents me from getting the safety on, with the shooting hand thumb. Last I tried was a regualar TS with a wide lever. It was not a matter of strength: purely the angles of how the lever pivots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamge Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Yikes, so it's going to have the very difficult to rack quickly tapered slide from the Shadow 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, adamge said: Yikes, so it's going to have the very difficult to rack quickly tapered slide from the Shadow 2. Maybe for you and for me it will be difficult. Probably with the Czechs the fingers are built differently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lior Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 They are just offering this series of three different guns to prepare us for the cost of the CzechMate 2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trulyapostolic Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 From what they posted on IG looks like they're back to using the plastic trigger instead of the more recent aluminum one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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