Alaskapopo Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I think its a great idea and a way to bring more shooters out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctay Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I want a reason to buy a SIG MPX... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Barry, I am for both divisions, I like to shoot:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigS. Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I think its a great idea and a way to bring more shooters out. That is the reason I added PCC in our Practical pistol matches, as well as our multi-gun matches this year. shooters need to look at the big picture and encourage more people too get out and pull the trigger more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjl Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 We held our monthly USPSA match yesterday which included PPC. No changes were necessary to the seven stages to accommodate the PPC division. The result -- All the PPC shooters left the match very happy and excited to do it again next month. I predict huge growth in the future PPC division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reshoot Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I hope a range near me will step up and offer PCC. Both matches I shoot monthly allow one to reshoot the match, in a different division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee King Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 For those allowing PCC in USPSA matches now, how do you handle "up range, surrender" starts? Seems like up range "low ready" would be a little spooky. Hands up, slung? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 For those allowing PCC in USPSA matches now, how do you handle "up range, surrender" starts? Seems like up range "low ready" would be a little spooky. Hands up, slung?Just guessing here, but probably up range surrender, gun on table facing downrange. I would guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Asked this on FaceBook and didn't really hear a good reason not to try. Anything that prohibits holding two events at the same time? For example a USPSA Pistol match and a USPSA Multigun match. Use the same stages, tweak the WSB's for PCC and score them separately. you could also accommodate changes for things that are too goofy to do with a carbine. Weak hand only etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 We have started running two PCC divisions at Old Bridge, Open and L10. Open is a Dot or scope, L10 is iron sights. 5-6 people at each of last two matches. Those that shot it, loved it. Does not affect the rest of the match. For starts that would create an issue, we use either a table start or a low ready start. Lots of fun, no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mitch Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 PCC sounds awesome, and maybe it could have a separated scoring template. It would be sketchy to have an Overall list populated with pistols versus rifles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangerdug Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 I would love a carbine class added to the open class... However, it is straight cheating Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remoandiris Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 PCC sounds awesome, and maybe it could have a separated scoring template. It would be sketchy to have an Overall list populated with pistols versus rifles. An action steel match I shoot groups PCC shooters separately. PCC typically beats pistols by a LOT...20+ seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 I don't understand why you would not want them in the overalls, it is not official and I think it would be interesting to compare against the pistols. I have wondered if in a typical USPSA course if a carbine at minor could beat a major open pistol. Jim Norman, what have your results shown on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caspian guy Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 For several years in the uspsa pistol match I ran we would run a rifle side match after the pistol match. We would usually reshoot one of longer pistol field courses with our ARs (not PCCs but a fair comparison) my time with an open pistol shooting major was usually faster than my time with my carbine. The points were normally better with the pistol. Now I am a low/middle of the pack M in open. I am a decent but by no means the fsstest rifle shooter. So maybe someone really quick with a rifle would be the opposite but if they put the time in shooting an open pistol... maybe not. Now in this case none of the shots were farther than 20 yards so that probably influences this some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 As a mid A pistol shooter, every time I have tried pistol verses carbine/PCC with open targets inside 15 yards, pistol is faster. Lots of hard cover, no shoots, distance, the carbine/PCC walks by the pistol easily, at least in my hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 As a mid A pistol shooter, every time I have tried pistol verses carbine/PCC with open targets inside 15 yards, pistol is faster. Lots of hard cover, no shoots, distance, the carbine/PCC walks by the pistol easily, at least in my hands. Irons or dot or don't matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caspian guy Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 As a mid A pistol shooter, every time I have tried pistol verses carbine/PCC with open targets inside 15 yards, pistol is faster. Lots of hard cover, no shoots, distance, the carbine/PCC walks by the pistol easily, at least in my hands.Irons or dot or don't matter? In my case the carbine had an eotech or a good 1-4 with a daylight visible dot set on 1x. That's why I figure it is a good comparison with my open pistol. The stages in question had a fair amount of hard cover and no shoots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 As a mid A pistol shooter, every time I have tried pistol verses carbine/PCC with open targets inside 15 yards, pistol is faster. Lots of hard cover, no shoots, distance, the carbine/PCC walks by the pistol easily, at least in my hands. Irons or dot or don't matter? I only shoot Irons on pistol. However, Irons or Dot on the PCC/Carbine does not seem to result in any noticeable difference in score with the Carbine/PCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2MoreChains Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Aren't 1x dots and irons already on an equal footing in Multigun's Limited division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac4wordplay Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Aren't 1x dots and irons already on an equal footing in Multigun's Limited division? Yes (both are division compliant). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2MoreChains Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Aren't 1x dots and irons already on an equal footing in Multigun's Limited division? Yes (both are division compliant). Sounds like a compelling reason to lump PCCs in the same division regardless of the sights used, provided having a ported muzzle device/flash hider/comp on the end of the barrel doesn't change things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Aren't 1x dots and irons already on an equal footing in Multigun's Limited division? Yes (both are division compliant). Sounds like a compelling reason to lump PCCs in the same division regardless of the sights used, provided having a ported muzzle device/flash hider/comp on the end of the barrel doesn't change things... One division is enough I think its not much of an advantage to have a comp or not on these guns. I would just run this division as a run what you brung. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick S Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Could a Sig MPX with brace thing be used or does the fact that it is technically a pistol exclude it from how PCC may or may not evolve? I realize this is theoretical at this point. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I don't understand why you would not want them in the overalls, it is not official and I think it would be interesting to compare against the pistols. I have wondered if in a typical USPSA course if a carbine at minor could beat a major open pistol. Jim Norman, what have your results shown on this? In November we had a really good Open shooter, in the combined scores he was 8 percentage points ahead of #2, also open and 20 percentage points ahead of the top PCC Shooter. We had 5 PCC shooters. In October we had 6 PCC Shooters and the top two in the combined scores were PCC. FIrst pistol shooter was Limited and was down 10 percentage points from the winner. No one has an issue with allowing this new division and those that are shooting it are really happy about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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