motosapiens Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 On 1/8/2019 at 9:31 AM, IHAVEGAS said: Saw my first home printed rule book in the wild at a match Sunday. The guy that had it said something very like "when I'm working a match I'm not going to be screwing around trying to find things on my cell phone". Some things just warm your heart. we have really old people at our matches too. The ones under 60 just use the search feature and find the rule on their phone/tablet in 1/4 the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, motosapiens said: we have really old people at our matches too. And yet, somehow their wisdom and experience doesn't seem to be passed down . . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBertolet Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 I am one of those old Super Senior people who like to have the rule book in their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Im not going to debate in this post about whether or not USPSA should provide a book, Id rather offer a simple solution. Things needed: .pdf file of the rule book Adobe .pdf program(free) Duplex(both sides at once) capable printer. You can do it without duplex, you will just have to flip and reload the sheets. 31 sheets of paper 3 staples Adobe reader has a "booklet" printing option, so after about 4 minutes of printing youll have this. (booklet printing instructions- https://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/kb/print-booklets-acrobat-reader.html ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, Patrick Scott said: Im not going to debate in this post about whether or not USPSA should provide a book, Id rather offer a simple solution. Things needed: .pdf file of the rule book Adobe .pdf program(free) Duplex(both sides at once) capable printer. You can do it without duplex, you will just have to flip and reload the sheets. 31 sheets of paper 3 staples Adobe reader has a "booklet" printing option, so after about 4 minutes of printing youll have this. (booklet printing instructions- https://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/kb/print-booklets-acrobat-reader.html ) Thanks for posting this, i like that it be done in booklet form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Humm, I am thinking there's not alot of intersection between the want a Printed Book group,, and the figure out duplex printing group.. My issue with this from what I am gathering is a non printed rulebook will lead to instability of rules. Constant changes and updates with different people with different versions. Used to be the rule book was the rule book and that was it until a new one came out.. Then we got this online thing, Forums, webpages rulings,, people with emails in their pockets, "rulings that were just straight contrary to the language in the rule book... Sorry that whole system is just broken. Publish a rulebook, Put it available online,, then lock it in for at least 5 years,, and no changes take effect until next book is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Joe4d said: Humm, I am thinking there's not alot of intersection between the want a Printed Book group,, and the figure out duplex printing group.. My issue with this from what I am gathering is a non printed rulebook will lead to instability of rules. Constant changes and updates with different people with different versions. Used to be the rule book was the rule book and that was it until a new one came out.. Then we got this online thing, Forums, webpages rulings,, people with emails in their pockets, "rulings that were just straight contrary to the language in the rule book... Sorry that whole system is just broken. Publish a rulebook, Put it available online,, then lock it in for at least 5 years,, and no changes take effect until next book is out. Seems a lot of intersection between the "It can change too easy" group and the "We don't realize there are bylaws/processes and time limits on rule changes" group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvc4you Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I downloaded the pdf from the USPSA website into my IPhone iBooks, it looks very small and unreadable (I have a big IPhone 8 Plus) , I have to manually zoom every page to be able to read it, so unworkable... Anyone has a solution? PS: I don’t see an option to download the rules in the USPSA App, that is why I did it from the website. The app has a horrible search function, try searching “10.4” and comes back with “character not accepted “, also you can’t skip pages, I you are looking for a penalty in Chapter 10, you have to browse from page 1 al the way to Chapter 10. This has to be improved.... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 13 hours ago, Patrick Scott said: Im not going to debate in this post about whether or not USPSA should provide a book, Id rather offer a simple solution. Things needed: .pdf file of the rule book Adobe .pdf program(free) Duplex(both sides at once) capable printer. You can do it without duplex, you will just have to flip and reload the sheets. 31 sheets of paper 3 staplesAdobe reader has a "booklet" printing option, so after about 4 minutes of printing youll have this. (booklet printing instructions- https://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/kb/print-booklets-acrobat-reader.html ) That is neat and easy! How does the character size work out compared to the 2014 book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 No good reason for USPSA not providing printed copies of the rule books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvc4you Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 No good reason for USPSA not providing printed copies of the rule books.How about money? It could be used to have RO “refresh” seminars were they can go over the changes with current ROs and CRO s and teach them how to do a search in the online version.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 52 minutes ago, dvc4you said: How about money? It could be used to have RO “refresh” seminars were they can go over the changes with current ROs and CRO s and teach them how to do a search in the online version. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Since USPSA had money to send Mike Foley to the Philippines, they should have enough to send out printed copies like they used to do and do refresher courses. Never seen a refresher course or additional training for Range Officers or Chief Range Officers, but it's a good idea. Printed copies are good to have so you can tab them and show a competitor the rule in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 hours ago, IHAVEGAS said: That is neat and easy! How does the character size work out compared to the 2014 book? Its pretty similar. I can take a comparison pic tonight when I get home if you would like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 It’s a rule BOOK. Not a rule page or rule file. Book. It should be printed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Patrick Scott said: Its pretty similar. I can take a comparison pic tonight when I get home if you would like. Pretty similar is a good enough answer for me. Will give it a shot, if I decide not to go 8.5*11 binder with plastic sleeves for bad weather and easy updates. Decisions decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBertolet Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I finally got a email response from Heather at the USPSA. No hard copy rule books will be printed for anyone, including RO's. They want to keep an "evergreen" rule book, which means, they can change the rules so often, that everyone is confused. I think for what the dues cost, they could at least provide a hard copy for the RO's, and the option of a subsidized, low cost copy for anyone else. Maybe then, if they have to print them, they won't change the rules so often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 So, how much would you all pay for a rulebook if somebody offered them. I would think one could be printed at home and mailed for $5 total no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, Sarge said: So, how much would you all pay for a rulebook if somebody offered them. I would think one could be printed at home and mailed for $5 total no? I would pay the exact amount for a rule book that USPSA refunded me on my membership fee's. Staples wanted $23.80 to print and bind the rule book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 This has been a good and useful discussion. Let's keep the politics out of it. Thanks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I like paper when I have to make a decision. I downloaded the book to a flash drive, took it to a print shop, had it printed and three holed punched, Total cost $11.50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Before the end of the summer it’ll likely be outdated. They do intend to continually insert clarifications and DNROI interpretations into the rulebook. That’s been made clear, and it’s why I won’t consider printing one. We score on Amazon’s FIRE tablets. Too bad we got rid of all the nooks last year. They’d be ideal to have around as rulebook-dedicated devices now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 How often do they plan on changing the rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, bret said: How often do they plan on changing the rules? A question asked many times and yet to be answered.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeg1005 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, bret said: How often do they plan on changing the rules? They can do it every 2 years per the bylaws... and usually do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeg1005 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 .... How is this an issue NOW? They haven't sent out rulebooks to new members for a few years now if I'm not mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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