FlashAndPoof Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 I'm a big fan of 9mm and most of my handguns are all 9mm. Been saving up for a 2011 and am leaning towards getting it in 9mm as well. Haven't started Limited shooting yet, and I know .40 is the favorite due to the scoring. Think they'll ever consider getting rid of major/minor for Limited? Or at least including 9mm into the major category? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Hello: Not going to happen. 9mm will always be minor for Limited and scored that way. 40 can be shot major or minor with the scoring as major or minor. Major 9mm out of a limited gun is not much fun to shoot. 40 is softer, plus it has bigger holes. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraj Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 No. Not going to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Thunder Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 I can't see why they would change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtturn Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 DVCSent from my MotoG3 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bthoefer Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 They already have done away with minor in Limited. Minor is uncompetitive for most shooters. You are free to shoot minor if you want, it just isn't competitive at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 USPSA? No IPSC? Given global political trends, I'd bet we see IPSC add a .22 handgun division, and in some countries eliminate centerfire handgun divisions in my lifetime. I hope I am wrong, but fear not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge40 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 I hope not. It adds an interesting dynamic. Extra rounds or hight scoring. I like it plus I'm really committed to 40 for limited major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Originally, back in the 70's, .45's ruled and "they" didn't want to allow 13 shot Browning Hi-Powers in 9mm to compete evenly with the 8 shot 1911 .45's. That would give the 9mm's a big advantage. So, they invented Minor and Major ... With +p JHP's, 9mm is now as effective as .45's, but they still consider 9mm to be Minor ... One day, reason may prevail, and realize that a 9mm at PF 150 is just as effective as a .45, at PF 165, and the "Reason" for Minor/Major will disappear. (This is my opinion - feel free to agree or disagree). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Best I can tell the board makes gun rules based on, what they believe the majority wants and what will effect cash flow from membership dues and manufacturer support. If you can make a case that has majority support, they certainly have been willing to flex the rules in the recent past. I think it would be fun to look at round limits for major that would make 9mm a viable option and make .40 mags a lot cheaper. Something like 15 maybe versus whatever you can fit for minor. I have no illusion that this idea would be accepted though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Somebody is always coming up with a "need" to change rules or Division requirements to allow them to play with equipment that isn't allowed or gain some imagined advantage. But we do have at least 4 Divisions where you can play with 9mm. And arguing that 9mm +P should be major is like saying that .40 at 155 should be "major". No, load it to 165 like the rest of us. (It's already been dropped from 175, and that was for safety.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLDave Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 (edited) Unlikely. It creates an interesting dynamic in the game. And there is a significant difference in the recoil control required for 125PF versus 165PF. Also, Limited is the single most popular division in USPSA. That means: 1) the powers should be very hesitant to mess with it and 2) there are thousands and thousands of shooters who have invested in their current gear. Scoring 9mm and .40 the same in limited would immediately render all the .40-cal blasters obsolete and non-competitive (due to capacity). There would be a revolt. Not. Gonna. Happen. Edited November 7, 2016 by ATLDave Added 2nd and 3rd ¶s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviSS Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 If I were buying/building a limited gun, there's no way I'd make it 9mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 I don't think they'll ever change it, but that shouldn't keep you from shooting whatever you want. I know a couple of guys who are pretty competitive shooting Limited Minor, but they realize the limitations they are placing on themselves if they start dropping shots out of the A zone. Then again, I know a guy who just built himself a Limited gun in .45 simply because he wanted to jump from SS to Limited but didn't want to have to load two calibers. Unless you're set on going after the top shooters, do what makes you happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reshoot Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 I hope they never change it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlm Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 I agree Chris (JAFO). Just shoot what you like and are comfortable with buddy. That'swhat it takes today. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mitch Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Major should be rewarded with more points. Period. More difficulty, more points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 On 11/8/2016 at 6:06 PM, Dr Mitch said: Major should be rewarded with more points. Period. More difficulty, more points. By that way of thinking, Production shooters (instead of being scored Minor), should receive more points per shot than Open shooters. Major/Minor isn't based on difficulty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mitch Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 I'm not sure you understand Open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Open and Production are separate Divisions. Major and Minor are distinctions within a particular Division, not across Divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 I'm thinking people didn't get what I meant. The prior poster said that Major/Minor was based on difficulty. If that were true, scoring would be very different. It isn't true, and never has been. Yes, I'm aware that Production and Open are different divisions. And yes, Dr. Mitch, I understand Open just fine. Point being: If scoring was based on difficulty, we'd have a completely different set of criteria. We don't, because Minor/Major has nothing to do with difficulty, it has to do with the power of the gun. Now, whether or not that "power" actually has relevance to anything in the real world is a different topic. However, that doesn't change the fact that saying Major/Minor is based on difficulty isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 The original intent of the rule is immaterial, it's been a part of the game a very long time and I've yet to hear a compelling reason to change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 The rule is there for a good reason and there is zero reason to change it. In Limited I shoot 172PF for major. For steel, plates and pins I shoot 144PF. I could go lower, but I'd have to change recoil springs. There is a noticeable difference in recoil, muzzle flip and recovery. I'm faster with the 144. Scoring 9mm minor loads major is insanity, and would be patently unfair. Plus the 9mm wimps get a boost in capacity, another advantage. The notion that "stopping power" has anything to do with this is daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckie45 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 I don't foresee a change to scoring. It give you options, and USPSA is all about giving you options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36873687 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 No way that's why no one shoots major In production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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