Thomas H

Yes, I agree. Which doesn't change the fact that a LOT of people disagree with that set of statements, including cases where they give procedural penalties for it. So my questions about those situation were for the people who are attempting to claim that there SHOULD be a penalty---I want them to justify it with a rule. I'm aware that there isn't one, and people who agree with that don't have to say anything. I just want the people who keep trying to give penalties for things that are legal, to have to actually justify their "rulings" with actual rules. This conversation IS needed because of those people--and as has been said numerous times, an official response from IDPA HQ would solve this problem quickly, IF we could get anyone to officially respond regarding rules. The current "the rules depends on your geographic location because it depends on your AC" method is not working well.

That's not how I'm reading it. I'm reading it that for people who put their guns in a bag, where the INSIDE of that bag also has compartments for magazines, you shouldn't use those anymore because once the gun is inside a zippered compartment, that zipper doesn't open again for any reason other than in a safe area on on the line under RO supervision. This isn't the same thing as a gun bag that has magazine compartments on the outside. Once the gun is zipped into the bag, THAT zipper stays untouched, but you can still get to everything else. "Once the case is closed it is to remain closed unless opened in a safe area." That is separate from magazines held in pouches or zippered compartments separate from where the gun is zipped into the bag.

Yup....because people keep "adding" rules that aren't in the rulebook, or using rules that have been taken OUT of the rulebook, under the assumption that "they meant it THIS way." So we still have all sorts of opinions that don't match what is in the current rulebook, and no one from IDPA HQ will answer an email to clarify. Awesome.

I personally think we should get rid of 8.1.8 and not worry about it at all. Add no new rules. Remove 8.1.8, because it is stupid and unnecessary. Literally, before this point in time, we've had many, many people shooting their low-ready-start divisions while having a holstered centerfire pistol at the same time. Have we had issues? No, not really. The people who do that are smart enough to holster for the one stage with movement (OL), and having a holstered pistol on the rest makes absolutely no difference at all, and is unsafe in no fashion whatsoever. If they DON'T bag their centerfire gun on Outer Limits---yes, there is the chance that it might come out of the holster. And they get DQed. And that's on them. Let's be clear---the cleared, empty, hammer-down firearm in their holster falls out while they are shooting a different firearm. There's a DQ. And then they won't do it again. What's the problem? There's literally no need to any rule about this in the first place, because there is no need for people to be required to bag a centerfire handgun while shooting a low-ready-start firearm. Forcing people to bag is just going to be annoying to absolutely everyone. And take more time. (And before people say "it won't take much time" remember that this is ALSO the set of people who are down on rifles because it "takes so much longer for people to bag them.") There's no need. No to mention that we can ALREADY see that people will be having problems with whatever wording the new rule will have.

Glad you liked it! Don came up with some good varied stages that tested a whole bunch of different skills at different times, which made for a fun match. ...we have a regular ICORE match coming up next Sunday (Sept 10th), for those who want to come up and shoot some more. And you can shoot 2 guns if you like! https://practiscore.com/eastern-nebraska-icore-september-match/register

...which makes sense as his normal division is Single Stack. It would be odd for him NOT to use an SAO 2011.

Exactly.

Can you show me where that got cleared up in the rule book? I see the part that says you can drop a mag on the table if you are staying in that position, but I don't think I saw the part that cleared up whether or not you can leave mags behind if you never touched them and are leaving. What did I miss? (I'll note that I think it is ridiculous to require people to pick up all mags, even if they aren't going to use them. They were on the table in the first place--shouldn't they automatically be able to be left there if you don't want them? It is certainly true that in the past, some matches made you pick them all up, and some matches said "they started there, they can stay there.")

Yes, but that isn't the question. You aren't staying at that position. You've still got rounds in it, enough for the next array, so you head to the next array without reloading--you just bring a mag with you.

If you already have the parts picked out that you want, you can probably just give it to any competent gunsmith and they can do it for you, though obviously one that has worked on competition guns before would probably be best. 10/22s are really easy to work with, and given how many parts are out there that have a ton of history, putting together a build isn't hard. (The hardest part is making sure the barrel is put in correctly. The rest is....surprisingly simple. I personally love 10/22s for that very reason.). With a 10/22, pick a barrel, stock, and trigger kit, and there's 90% of what will make the gun awesome, and any competent gunsmith can put those in for you. (If you want to add other stuff, VQ, TK, and TacCom makes literally drop-in parts for firing pins, better extractors, etc. And while a dedicated .22 'smith will do extras to smooth out areas and make it perfect, pretty much anyone can drop in those parts and make them work well. Again, to a really really surprising degree.) If you are looking for someone who will pick OUT aftermarket parts to give you the feel and function you describe to them.....that's a lot harder. Contacting someone like Striplin will definitely give you the best results for something like that.

My favorite version of this question is simple: Unloaded start, magazines on the table. On the beep, you pick up a mag, load it into the gun, and shoot the first array. As you start moving to the second array, you pick up a magazine and hold it in your hand. You then shoot the second array (with the magazine in your hand), then reload using the magazine in your hand. Given that you aren't starting the stage with magazines stowed, and there is no requirement during the stage to stow any magazine OTHER than if you drop one---is there anything about the described situation that is illegal? Part II: On a different stage, you shoot the first array and perform a tac reload, keeping the extra magazine (with ammo still in it) in your hand while you shoot the last three targets of the stage. As you have not dropped it, and have not left it behind, are you penalized for finishing the stage with it in your hand? (In either case, if someone says there is a penalty, could you please point to the rule for said penalty?)

I think the problem that people are having in terms of answering your question is "....for what?" .22 custom rifle---for SC? Something else? Irons? Open? Are you looking for a 'smith to literally build something from scratch? Or are you wanting someone able to put together already-available parts to a coherent whole? If it is the last, any average person can already do that on their own. (Aftermarket parts for 10/22s and such are readily available, and almost all of them are drop-in.) And there are plenty of custom rifles are already available from places like ModShot, VQ, TacCom, etc in different configurations that you can order right away. So it might help to clarify exactly what you want your custom builder to be able to do that you couldn't just directly get from any of the above sources, or that you couldn't do yourself easily. That way people will be able to give you more specific answers. What do you need your custom rifle builder to be able to do for you?

150gr FP Brass Monkey Bullets 3.7gr CFE Pistol ...not remembering my OAL at the moment, I'm not home so can't check (I'll come back and add it when I get home)... Shot using two different 929s, 10 shots each, average V = 869.5 ft/s, Ave PF: 130.4 REALLY low recoil.

As someone has already said, the club that is telling you that the gun has to be completely empty is wrong. In addition, with respect to the comment in bold: The WSB can't over-ride the rules. They can't tell you that you can only reload the gun at slide-lock. The rules say that the magazine must either be empty, or retained. That's it. In addition, a WSB can't specifically require you to reload during a course of fire. 6.5.24 Reloads shall not be mandated in a Course of Fire. All mandated reloads, topping off, etc. must be performed off the clock. The only way to make people reload at a certain point is to require them to start with a downloaded magazine. And they can't tell you what kind of reload to perform when you do so.

I use CFE pistol with 150gr FP Brass Monkey Bullets in 9mm----really like it so far.