Best PCC Optic

[RangerTrace]

I've been wanting a JP5 ever since I started reading about them on here.  I had a GMR15 and it was great except that it wasn't truly ambidextrous.   I've got an extra Atlas in the safe I'm going to sell to fund it, the optic and extra mags.  I was thinking about an MRO for the optic, but wanted to run it by you guys to see what you are running.

 

Thanks in advance for your input.

 

Trace

[mrvip27]

510c without the shroud. Great window size. Dot size works for tight shots.

 

Would like to experiment with the new 507 comp on a riser mount, but the 510c has been working for me.

[ChuckS]

Holosun 512. If you think you will ever shoot in the rain   Also, less susceptible to sun reflections over your shoulder. You get a 2 moa dot for precision, a big-ass circle for hosing. Put the BAC over the round part of the steel and shoot. Use the sides of the circle for lead compensation for moving targets and use the bottom tic on the circle for close-up targets. 

 

I have used the 510C for the last 4 years with no issue. The 512 was added after I got rained on in Utah and lost half the reticle to a slow to evaporating rain drop on the LED.

[rifleman777]

Cmore Railway, love it, just remember to turn it off at the end of the day.

[Joe4d]

and would recomendations change for steel challenge only on a rimfire carbine ?

 

[DwightSchrute]

I’m a big fan of the 6 MOA Deltapoint Pro for both USPSA and Steel Challenge.  It’s the only red dot I’ve used that doesn’t wash out on me in bright sunlight.

[Dirty_J]

The holographic sights have been phenomenal for me. Love the crispness of the reticle for target-focus shooting.
 

Been using the Eotech and/or Vortex UH-1 for 2+ years for USPSA now. (previously used the Holosun 510/512’s)

 

No comparison between a traditional red dot and holographic for me. 10/10 would recommend.  
 

[mgkrs]

I found holographic sights had a fuzziness and noise to it, similar to the dot from a laser pointer, are you not seeing that? 

[mrvip27]

10 minutes ago, mgkrs said:

I found holographic sights had a fuzziness and noise to it, similar to the dot from a laser pointer, are you not seeing that? 

 

thats how holographic sights look/work....but if your target focused enough it blends together to look solid

Edited February 1, 2023 by mrvip27

[Ner]

Did anyone tried Prism x1 optics (Swampfox Blade for example) for fast Pcc target transitions end etc ?

[philmadxx]

I have a GMR-15 and run 510's and love them, I have a 512 I bought because I was afraid of the rain situation Chuck describes above but haven't mounted it yet.  It's pretty heavy but that doesn't bother me, I'm just lazy.

 

I have a JP5 on order, hopefully early March, was going to try the AEMS - not sure why, it kinda looks cool.  

 

I sent a UH-1 back, I have an astigmatism and it was way too fuzzy for me.  

 

Have a C-more railway - can't trust it becase of battery life.  I changed the battery for each match but it still died during a long day - can't trust it. 

 

Vortex venom or viper - can't remember which - good sights, just don't like the single dot. 

 

Lots of really good sights out there, hard to go wrong, I think the reticle is the most important this.

 

Good luck.

[Dirty_J]

3 hours ago, mrvip27 said:

 

thats how holographic sights look/work....but if your target focused enough it blends together to look solid

Ding ding ding.  We have a winner. 
 

That’s “fuzziness” is a great tell when you’re cheating yourself and not shooting target focus!  

[Bdh821]

I run irons on my PCC.  Makes it harder

[Boomstick303]

2 hours ago, Dirty_J said:

That’s “fuzziness” is a great tell when you’re cheating yourself and not shooting target focus!

 

Yup.  I also find with the my astigmatism I do not get bursting like my eyes do with most dots.  It is a shaper image.

 

If you see the graininess of the holographic reticle you are definitely not target focused.    

 

I used to think the circle dot reticle was too busy.  I use to run the Holosun HS510C without the circle.  I then switch to an EoTech, and found with the circle and dot reticle I shoot steel at a higher efficiency for some reason.  I also use the lower tick of the circle at the 6 O'clock position is point of aim for close tight targets.

[Dirty_J]

Just now, Boomstick303 said:

 

Yup.  I also find with the my astigmatism I do not get bursting like my eyes do with most dots.  It is a shaper image.

 

If you see the graininess of the holographic reticle you are definitely not target focused.    

 

I used to think the circle dot reticle was too busy.  I use to run the Holosun HS510C without the circle.  I then switch to an EoTech, and found with the circle and dot reticle I shoot steel at a higher efficiency for some reason.  I also use the lower tick of the circle at the 6 O'clock position is point of aim for close tight targets.

Yes to all of this. 
 

I also have astigmatism. Holo is much crisper for me. 
 

Circle/dot is the way. Also use the bottom of the circle for 5-7yd targets for proper POI. It’s almost like cheating.  

[Boomstick303]

15 hours ago, RangerTrace said:

I was thinking about an MRO for the optic,

 

I personally stay away from MROs.  They are one of the worst optics in regards to parallax.  I have a couple of buddy's that is testing equipment all of the time and will not buy any MROs due to the parallax issues.  If you are stuck on the MRO make sure you get a Gen II.  It is slightly better than the Gen I but it is still pretty bad.  I had a Gen I and it was horrible.  

 

 

Edited February 1, 2023 by Boomstick303

[Boomstick303]

15 hours ago, ChuckS said:

I have used the 510C for the last 4 years with no issue. The 512 was added after I got rained on in Utah and lost half the reticle to a slow to evaporating rain drop on the LED.

 

This was the reason I switch to the EoTech.  Closed system after shooting PCC Nationals in FL, and 2 Gun Nationals in Alabama where it rained its fair share.  

[Sinister4]

510....it works well, ill shoot irons as well sometimes

[SteelCityShooter]

16 hours ago, ChuckS said:

Holosun 512. If you think you will ever shoot in the rain   Also, less susceptible to sun reflections over your shoulder. You get a 2 moa dot for precision, a big-ass circle for hosing. Put the BAC over the round part of the steel and shoot. Use the sides of the circle for lead compensation for moving targets and use the bottom tic on the circle for close-up targets. 

 

I have used the 510C for the last 4 years with no issue. The 512 was added after I got rained on in Utah and lost half the reticle to a slow to evaporating rain drop on the LED.

I've got a Holosun 510 on my JP GMR15 and, by removing the shroud, you save a lot of weight.  The huge window is a big plus and the circle/dot reticle is very fast to find.  

 

I did buy an HS512 just for the reason given but it's smaller window and more intrusive frame makes it a bit less fast than the 510.

[Tampa-XD45]

Holosun 510 on my GMR15.  No complaints.  I did have to tighten the QR screw once in 3 years.

[works for ammo]

I use the HS512 and really like it. 

 

 

[ChuckS]

10 hours ago, SteelCityShooter said:

I've got a Holosun 510 on my JP GMR15 and, by removing the shroud, you save a lot of weight.  The huge window is a big plus and the circle/dot reticle is very fast to find.  

 

I did buy an HS512 just for the reason given but it's smaller window and more intrusive frame makes it a bit less fast than the 510.

FWIW, the "window" size is the same between the 510 and 512.

[CFD614]

13 hours ago, Bdh821 said:

I run irons on my PCC.  Makes it harder

[theix]

Eotech EFLX. Super clear glass. Downside is I always have to run it at max setting otherwise it washes out.

[Dirty_J]

9 minutes ago, theix said:

Eotech EFLX. Super clear glass. Downside is I always have to run it at max setting otherwise it washes out.

Not hearing the best things about the durability on these.