cbrussell Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Does anyone use the old type Dillon Powder Bar return springs with the new style Dillon Powder Measure? If so and why? Any draw backs/problems? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkmckinley Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 The concept works well by taking up some of the slack in the travel. I just use a rubber band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 9 hours ago, mkmckinley said: The concept works well by taking up some of the slack in the travel. I just use a rubber band. This. I use the springs and fail-safe rod on several of my powder measures. The failsafe rod alone (if you have one of the newer type powder measures) is enough, but what's a little extra precaution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHI Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 just a little extra insurance. Belt and suspenders approach so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NETim Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 I robbed the spring off of my SDB and put it on my 650 to trial it. I think it was on the 650 for maybe 5 rounds. The charge bar operated in a violent, "snappy" motion. I didn't like it, so I removed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrussell Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 I too was worried about there being too much force. I do not seem to have problems with powder drop consistency, so probably should leave well enough alone. I did disassemble the powder measure and polished the heck out of everything. Probably need not needed for pistol loads, but I enjoyed the work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnymazz Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 No need for the springs, the powder measure works perfect as is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigarmsp226 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Mine work perfect also - in fact when I attached one of Ms. Sigarmsp226 pony tail holders to mine to create the additional resistance my unit seemed to respond in a more jerking motion (less smooth) so I took the elastic band off and put it back the way it has been for the last 15+ years…..I guess every unit can respond differently….Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7VY Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 When I bought my first Dillon 650 I removed the fail safe rod first thing and put springs on the powder bar. When I transferred over to a 1050 I kept the same springs. Now over 33k rounds later I couldn’t imagine using the fail safe rod. Your results might vary from mine, just my 2 cents worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyPotty Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 I run the springs too. I cut off the lock thingy on the powder measure, and took off that whole contraption. Lots less crap in your way, and runs much smoother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaylanGivens Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 3 hours ago, ScottyPotty said: I run the springs too. I cut off the lock thingy on the powder measure, and took off that whole contraption. Lots less crap in your way, and runs much smoother. I did the same on my two 1050's... I run two springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45 Raven Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 I also cut the stuff off all the powder measures I use on both my 550's and use the springs. Probably not the case today, but about 4-5 years ago I was in the Dillon store in Scottsdale, AZ and asked the employee behind the counter how I might find some spare springs. He opened a drawer below the counter and handed me three or four of them and told me they were "on the house". As I said, it's pretty likely those days are far gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigarmsp226 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 If anyone has a photo they can share of their spring set up I would appreciate it….This has my attention now…Thanks Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mveto Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 I’ve got a few on order to put on my automated 1100, just a little reassurance to get that powder bar reset quicker and completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George16 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 8:31 PM, Sigarmsp226 said: If anyone has a photo they can share of their spring set up I would appreciate it….This has my attention now…Thanks Mark Here’s my old powder measure with the return springs. I’m using this setup to load major ammo on my 1100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigarmsp226 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) Thanks George for providing this picture…One final question for you if you know, if not, if someone else here may explain this… In reading this thread am I reading this correctly the fail safe rod can be completely removed from your Dillon system if you use springs similar to what George is showing here and the powder drop will work as intended….Mark Edited July 19, 2021 by Sigarmsp226 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George16 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, Sigarmsp226 said: Thanks George for providing this picture…One final question for you if you know, if not, if someone else here may explain this… In reading this thread am I reading this correctly the fail safe rod can be completely removed from your Dillon system if you use springs similar to what George is showing here and the powder drop will work as intended….Mark Yes. With this powder measure setup on my 1100 or 550, the fail safe rod is removed or disconnected because there’s no need for it. The springs do the job of the fail safe rod by making sure the bar always returns to it original position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrussell Posted July 19, 2021 Author Share Posted July 19, 2021 I might have to try this. I think the problem may be trying to use both systems. Pick either the fail safe rod or spring option but not both. Will test to see if the springs alone provide more consistent results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 It took a while to find this thread. I think this was the first time powder measure return springs were discussed here. From 2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7VY Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 I’m using larger springs and I’ve not had any issues. I also have an additional baffle in my powder hopper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigarmsp226 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 George, Chuck, and N7VY - Thanks guys for this detail. I am about to sit down and read the thread link that Chuck provided and I am also going to be heading to Lowes this week to pick me up some springs to give this a try…..Thanks Again Guys…Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Drilling out that rivet on the powder measure’s “bell crank” and then drilling a hole through the failsafe rod so you can add a “cotter key” or “cotter pin” and a washer and then adding the two tension springs is called a “Dillon powder measure retrograde” . Here on my 650: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyPotty Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 I tried to post a pic but the file size is too large. One thing to keep in mind. With using springs instead of the fail safe rod is double charges. The fail safe rod keeps you from going up twice. With the springs you can go up and fill the case, come down 1/2 stroke and go up again and fill. I think that is the reason for the change from springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rishii Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 I have the old style powder measures and use both the springs and the fail safe rod, kinda like wearing both a belt and suspenders the fail safe rod only comes into play on the bottom of the stroke to ensure the powder bar is fully closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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