Lesliet Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 On 11/11/2020 at 11:23 AM, Abacus said: I recently ran into the same issue of finding Titegroup and tried out AA2. I tried 3.8 grains under 124 grain RMR plated round nose. The rounds were very accurate and the felt recoil impulse was very good. I may be sticking with AA2 if and when things return back to normal. AA2 has been a great back-up plan for me. I do like the recoil impulse better with TG, but Accurate is pretty solid, too, and seems to most always be available somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124gr9mm Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 On 11/9/2020 at 3:05 PM, echotango said: Win 231. Switched from TG. Will never go back to TG. Cleaner and softer. Same. Cleaner, softer, and SOOOO much less smoky with coated bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevrofreak Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 On 11/9/2020 at 12:24 PM, CHARLES D said: I’ve been using Vectan GM 3 in place of Titegroup. 3.8 grs came out at 128 PF at the NAZC this year I love GM3. Soft, clean, cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigarmsp226 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 On 11/9/2020 at 2:05 PM, echotango said: Win 231. Switched from TG. Will never go back to TG. Cleaner and softer. Me also - Love 231 - 3.6grs under my 124gr Xtreme FMJ.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMP Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Sport Pistol the go to but grabbed some AA#2 when it was in stock at Grafs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balmo Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Left Titegroup for Cleanshot 2 years ago. Gun is much cleaner since. I add 0.1gr of Cleanshot for a comparable Titegroup load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 On 12/8/2020 at 1:39 PM, Sigarmsp226 said: Me also - Love 231 - 3.6grs under my 124gr Xtreme FMJ.... 9mm: 124gr Xtreme RN: Win 231 4.25gr: Fed Case: OAL 1.145 Digital Link Para 1911 5" Temperature:75° F Pressure:30 in Hg Bullet Weight:124.0 Power Factor Average:131 Power Factor Low:130 Power Factor High:134 Number of Shots:10 Minimum:1052 Maximum:1083 Spread:31 Average:1061 Standard Deviation:10 Custom Attributes PowderWin 231 4.25gr CaseWin PrimerRem SPP BulletXtreme 124gr RN OAL1.145 GunPara 5" 1911 #VelocityFt/lbsPower FactorDate 101063311.1013112/7/20 12:38 PM 91053305.2713012/7/20 12:38 PM 81060309.3413112/7/20 12:38 PM 71061309.9313112/7/20 12:37 PM 61078319.9413312/7/20 12:37 PM 51054305.8513012/7/20 12:37 PM 41083322.9113412/7/20 12:37 PM 31059308.7613112/7/20 12:37 PM 21055306.4313012/7/20 12:37 PM 11052304.6913012/7/20 12:37 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Dude you’re format really sux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Farmer said: Dude you’re format really sux. data compression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberts68 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 On 11/9/2020 at 5:45 PM, ysrracer said: Clays? I like it What's your recipe and power factor you're making? Type of gun and shooting? I tried Clay's because I have a lot and couldn't make power factor within recommended levels, but that may have been using 115gr. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 .38 Short Colt: 160gr Bayou RN: Clays 3.2gr: OAL 1.20 Digital Link S&W 627 5" Temperature: 65° F Pressure: 30 in Hg Bullet Weight: 160.0 Power Factor Average: 131 Power Factor Low: 129 Power Factor High: 134 Number of Shots: 8 Minimum: 807 Maximum: 838 Spread: 31 Average: 824 Standard Deviation: 10 Custom Attributes Powder Clays 3.2gr Bullet Bayou 160gr RN C.O.A.L. 1.20 Primer Fed SPP Case Starline # Velocity Ft/lbs Power Factor Date 8 828 243.55 132 10/30/20 3:40 PM 7 807 231.35 129 10/30/20 3:40 PM 6 825 241.79 132 10/30/20 3:40 PM 5 832 245.91 133 10/30/20 3:40 PM 4 833 246.50 133 10/30/20 3:39 PM 3 813 234.81 130 10/30/20 3:34 PM 2 817 237.12 130 10/30/20 3:34 PM 1 838 249.47 134 10/30/20 3:34 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 S&W 627 5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sti38super Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Has any one tried Hodgdon Titewad in there 9mm minor load ? I pefer Clays but it is in short supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) Haven’t tried tightwad yet but E3 works great. I have some & was going to test it to see how compatible it is. Edited December 13, 2020 by Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) Not a complete test, but a little something on Tightwad. In my 327 I compared E3 to Tightwad with a 83g plated DEWC. With 2.3 grains of both powders the E3 was running around 50 FPS faster and would consistently group in a nice cloverleaf. The Tightwad groups were about 2” and pressures seemed higher as per measuring cases. The E3 es was around 12, while Tightwad ran 30, and recoil was more snappy with TW. It may work in other calibers but it gives me the impression that it’s kinda squirrelly. Kinda like International Clays. (Yeh I tried working that up one time) I know this isn’t much info because weathers been crappy but it’s a start. Tightwad does work good in 1 oz shotgun loads! low recoil & clean, but so does E3. I may play with it a bit more as time/weather permits. Edited December 17, 2020 by Farmer Sp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ts199982 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) On 11/9/2020 at 1:24 PM, CHARLES D said: I’ve been using Vectan GM 3 in place of Titegroup. 3.8 grs came out at 128 PF at the NAZC this year Good to find another Vectan Gm3 user here. I replaced my Titegroup and Win231 (HP38) load with GM3. Grafs is local so no Hazmat and the price for 1.1 lbs is great. I bought 2 cases, shared it the info with my friends, and a few are going to try it this next year. So far 2 lbs use and shot, we like it. Edited December 20, 2020 by ts199982 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Elliott Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 2.8 gr Clays under 147 gr Blue Bullet @1 09" oal (Sig X5 Legion) makes 130 power factor. Nice soft load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chgofirefighter Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 At the end of the day it's all about user preference. My vote goes to Sport Pistol, LOVE IT~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merldizzle Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Plus one for VV N320. I'd be curious to try sport pistol sometime though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mniels Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 Finally getting back to follow up on this. Ended up with Clean Shot, definitely liking it so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, mniels said: Finally getting back to follow up on this. Ended up with Clean Shot, definitely liking it so far. Is it really cleaner than Titegroup? Can you share your load data? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mniels Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 Load data I am using is essentially the same at Titegroup. Have only loaded 124gr so far at 2.8gr. Honestly, it is cleaner, but not a whole lot cleaner, at least from what I have seen. There are a lot of comparison photos out there, and the differences on those is pretty shocking. However, from what I have seen, it is maybe 25% cleaner than Titegroup. Still, it's cheap, and cleaner is still cleaner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 For coated bullets Sport Pistol and WST. Never saw the magic in 320 but whatever it works. Hell, I've even used Red Dot with great results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtwain56 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 On 11/9/2020 at 1:05 PM, echotango said: Win 231. Switched from TG. Will never go back to TG. Cleaner and softer. How many grams of powder and what size 9mm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtwain56 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 On 11/9/2020 at 1:41 PM, GOF said: Win 231 & HP38 (same powder, different can) are really close to TiteGroup and cleaner... although not as clean as N310 or N320. I don't think you'll see any fall off in load performance with 231/HP38. Is More Win 231 is needed then Titegroup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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