TimHawkins Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Hello, Was wondering if you can double charge a 9mm case with titegroup and still seat a 124 grain bullet. A shooter blew up a pistol and is thinking he doubled the charge of titegroup. I have never checked to see how much a 9mm case will hold and still let you seat the bullet. Just curious. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich406 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Most 124gr loads with titegroup are around 4 grains. You can double charge with room to spare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I would almost think you could triple charge a case with titegroup and still seat a bullet so a double charge would definitely have no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimHawkins Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 Thanks for the info. I didn't see the pistol but the guys who did said it was toast. I think it was an M&P but will have to check and see next week when he comes to the match. Thanks again, Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raydee38 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I have triple charged with 3.9gr just to see and it fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevadazielmeister Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Listen up kids, this is what happens when you load TiteGroup instead of Varget into your rifle cartridge: http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2015/01/what-happens-when-you-load-pistol-powder-in-a-rifle-cartridge/ Stay safe out there friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4n2t0 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I know some guys don't like powder checks but I won't reload without one (plus I eyeball the case). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sfisch0311 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) I once double charged a .40 load with Titegroup on my old Lee 4 hole turret press. Needless to say my Glock didn’t handle that lol. But yes, easy to do in a 9mm case. For my open loads I used 11.3 gr of AA7 for. 9 Major Edited January 24, 2020 by Sfisch0311 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimHawkins Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 I have been handloading for 55+ years and after looking at Navadazielmiesters post I'm glad I still have all my fingers and Nose. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36873687 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 U can definitely. Seen double charge in 40 sti edge wasn’t pretty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlappyMcTrigger Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 I won’t store a case mouth up on my bench (I load on an auto-indexing progressive). Not saying it’s full proof but the results between picking up a charged case and putting it through the press versus having a small pile of powder on the bench is stark. Simple measure for sure but one I practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimHawkins Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 I talked to the guy about his gun today and he said it is a springfield xd. He has a gunsmith looking it over to see if it was a double charge or if it fired out of battery . I don't know if he will be able to tell what happened. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninemmbill Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Plenty of room in a 9mm case when loading with Titegourp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intheshaw1 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 On 1/26/2020 at 5:44 PM, TimHawkins said: I talked to the guy about his gun today and he said it is a springfield xd. He has a gunsmith looking it over to see if it was a double charge or if it fired out of battery . I don't know if he will be able to tell what happened. Tim I had an xdm fire out of battery. Jacked up the ejector and cracked the grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterpuc Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Yes you can. It seems like quite a few KBs have been with presses that are not auto indexing. I run a 1050 and keep a light and mirror where I can watch every case after the powder drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
et45 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Yes you can.I do a visual check on each round I load Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpYoursPal Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Yes. I’ve done this exact thing. It blew out the magazine release on my Glock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zane1973 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Yes sir. A double charge is a big possibility. I load 3.7gr, with 124gr bullet. and just looking in the case, more than enough room in there to easily double charge. I got confused once while loading a batch. Needless to say, I weighed every loaded round to confirm that all were good loads. Best to be on the safe side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) Yes, easily. That's why you look in the case, especially on a 550. Not on a Square Deal though, because the index pawl is already advanced before the powder drop contact. That's why I run BE-86 on the 550 and TG on the SD. Edited February 16, 2020 by 9x45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valerko Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 yup , you end up with compressed load. One bad think about TG , you don't need a lot of it and it doesn't take a lot of space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4n2t0 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 12 hours ago, valerko said: yup , you end up with compressed load. One bad think about TG , you don't need a lot of it and it doesn't take a lot of space It had nothing to do with load compression, compressed loads aren't dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ryder Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Tite poop sure does a lot of damage with a double or triple charge. I don't use it for that reason. It doesn't fill up the case enough. I watch every loaded round and it's hard to see any powder in the case on my 650. I like a power that spills out on the shell plate with a double charge, not that I ever had one. I miss 7625. It was a very "forgiving" powder. You could double charge it, which completely fills up the case with some spillage, and just make major PF. Might jack up a Glock but not an STI! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Texas Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) As far as spherical powders go. AA No 2 is also insensitive to powder positioning. Doesn't burn quite as fast as TiteGroup, but its bulk density is .635 grams/cc or 635 grams/liter. It is quite lofty and gives good case-fill by chargeweight. Ramshot Competition is even loftier and lower in bulk density at .510 grams/cc. WST is also quite lofty, but Hodgdon recommends against using it for 9mm. For those that load it trouble free, you won't get any complaint from me. Edited February 20, 2020 by K-Texas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valerko Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 9 hours ago, 4n2t0 said: It had nothing to do with load compression, compressed loads aren't dangerous. so double charge , compressed is not dangerous ? Because that's what I'm talking about . You double charge 9mm , with 7-8 g of TG , then it's gonna be compressed load as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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