Laxman2809 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Ah, that makes sense. I am sorry you must spend time in a state with those restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuvDog Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Yea, me too. My comment was just being sarcastic and selfish, to try and be more competitive with everyone else. Especially with the people at those same matches with mysteriously large mags. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 16 hours ago, jmtyndall said: 17 hours ago, Silver_Surfer said: I guess we people who live behind enemy lines(10rd only) dont count Forgive me if I'm wrong but dont the rules limit all divisions to 10 rounds in states where that's the law? So doesnt limited become L10 in states with 10 rounds limits by default? What's the need for a whole other division if everyone at a given match is under the same limit anyways? Because some of those states like California have grandfather clause and a recent week to get grandfathered again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmtyndall Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 20 minutes ago, HoMiE said: Because some of those states like California have grandfather clause and a recent week to get grandfathered again. I guess to me it depends on interpretation of 3.3.1 If new magazines and new people to the sport are limited to 10 rounds, I'd say everyone should be. Why should new shooters or shooters competing in a match from out-of-state be at a disadvantage just because some guy is "grandfathered in"? The law restricts competitors entering the state or buying new mags from greater than 10 rounds, then all divisions would be limited to 10. Not sure how the MD's in those affected states interpret the ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, jmtyndall said: I guess to me it depends on interpretation of 3.3.1 If new magazines and new people to the sport are limited to 10 rounds, I'd say everyone should be. Why should new shooters or shooters competing in a match from out-of-state be at a disadvantage just because some guy is "grandfathered in"? The law restricts competitors entering the state or buying new mags from greater than 10 rounds, then all divisions would be limited to 10. Not sure how the MD's in those affected states interpret the ruling. I’ve shot in CA and never been to a match that was restricted to capacity by MD. Most shooters that weren’t grandfather’d either shoot in 10 round friendly divisions, but never seen or heard of other divisions being forced to 10 rounds. The law does not restrict out of state competitors entering the state or possession, it only prohibits, export, import, or sale. CA PC 30665, mags laws don’t apply to nonresidents. Edited April 5, 2019 by HoMiE Added penal code Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 Have any of you noticed an increase in NEW shooters competing in CO? I can think of one or two, but it seems like the vast majority have been in the sport for awhile and have just made the switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravisB_02 Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 2 hours ago, HCH said: Have any of you noticed an increase in NEW shooters competing in CO? I can think of one or two, but it seems like the vast majority have been in the sport for awhile and have just made the switch. Agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 2 hours ago, HCH said: Have any of you noticed an increase in NEW shooters competing in CO? I can think of one or two, but it seems like the vast majority have been in the sport for awhile and have just made the switch. We have a few, but yes most wind up in Ltd minor or production. Or PCC, but most of those showed up wanting to shoot a PCC before they ever saw a USPSA stage in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxman2809 Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 3 hours ago, MemphisMechanic said: We have a few, but yes most wind up in Ltd minor or production. Or PCC, but most of those showed up wanting to shoot a PCC before they ever saw a USPSA stage in person. Interesting why do you think that most people are shoot prod and limited minor? PCC I can understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 Probably because of the guns they already have that they start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Laxman2809 said: Interesting why do you think that most people are shoot prod and limited minor? PCC I can understand I thinks lot of us got into the sport desiring to be proficient with the guns we carry. And they’re carrying an iron sighted gun. In addition to not identifying with CO (much less Open) because they aren’t carrying 24 rounds and a fat Deltapoint Pro every day? ...just outfitting the gun you start with is a $500-1,000 proposition. Full $300 worth of belt rig. Then come sights, extra mags, trigger work, all the new range bag and squib rod type gear, and then very quickly following, a reloading press and a chrono? It adds up. $500 worth of optic and basepads can be skipped if you rock your Glock in Production or fill its mags and run Limited Minor for a while. The only guys who come directly into CO around here are the tactical types who were carrying a Glock or M&P with an RMR, and the slide milled with a set of shark gills or a big window in the side. Their gun already belongs best in CO. Edited April 6, 2019 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elguapo Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 On 4/4/2019 at 3:33 PM, IHAVEGAS said: About as popular as limited minor. So where did you get this cutting edge insight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 On 4/3/2019 at 8:29 PM, pskys2 said: Really took off with the increase in mag capacity. yep,,, 140 mags,,, scored minor,, so cheap 9mm,,, best division ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 2 hours ago, elguapo said: So where did you get this cutting edge insight? Good genetics and many years spent perfecting a keen sense of the obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elguapo Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, IHAVEGAS said: Good genetics and many years spent perfecting a keen sense of the obvious. Oh OK, so you made it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaShooter88 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/3/2019 at 2:57 PM, RJH said: I predicted this a while back. Not Nostradumbass or anything, it is just a division that is appealing to a bunch of people. Low start up cost , cheap ammo, high cap, still a pistol, and competes closely to limited in the overalls, seems destined to be the #1or 2 division in a few more years. But remember it was falling flat, till they upped the capacity, i think that was the deal maker What is the mag capacity for co? I thought it was same rules as production? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcfoto Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 15 minutes ago, BamaShooter88 said: What is the mag capacity for co? I thought it was same rules as production? Appendix D7, no max mag capacity. Mag length same as limited. It was 10 while a provisional dividend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaShooter88 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mcfoto said: Appendix D7, no max mag capacity. Mag length same as limited. It was 10 while a provisional dividend. Wow awesome! So same mags as limited but no pf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaShooter88 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe4d said: yep,,, 140 mags,,, scored minor,, so cheap 9mm,,, best division ever That does sound awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 35 minutes ago, elguapo said: Oh OK, so you made it up. I was trying to give a humorous response to your personal insult. We are done at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elguapo Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 30 minutes ago, IHAVEGAS said: I was trying to give a humorous response to your personal insult. We are done at this point. Asking why you think you know the future is a personal insult? I guess some people think they're above being questioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 (edited) We're in a ban state. Here is the breakdown of this weekends monthly match. More guys are going to CO. I typically shoot CO, shot Open this month. Edited April 7, 2019 by zombywoof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstange Posted April 7, 2019 Author Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/6/2019 at 11:04 AM, HCH said: Have any of you noticed an increase in NEW shooters competing in CO? Here's the same graph for IDs 100000 and above. Those people joined USPSA mid-December 2016 or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithcity Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 (edited) Ill just leave this here for the masses I must admit, "open lite" is a lot of fun. Edited April 7, 2019 by Smithcity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, BamaShooter88 said: Wow awesome! So same mags as limited but no pf? Correct; well... you still have to make Minor. Most of us shooting CO have gotten our mags to take 23+1 very reliably. My Walther does, as does the Glock platform. You have to do two reloads per stage even less often than a Limited shooter. Shooting .40 costs you 2 or 3 rounds per mag versus 9mm, generally speaking. Edited April 7, 2019 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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