nagantino Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Course designers may not design a course of fire that requires the competitor to re-holster, however a competitor may choose to re-holster during a course of fire as long as it is done safely. Rule 8.2.5 I have never seen anyone reholster during a Stage or Course of Fire, then continue shooting, but I think this is permissible. I ask because the Cooper Tunnel always gives me a problem especially if I have to back out of it to contiue shooting. So........must inform the RO of my intentions to do so and what procedure clears the gun to his satisfaction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzShooter Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Wheelchair shooters do it all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKorn Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 You don’t have to tell the RO, and don’t have to clear the gun at all. It does, however, need to be in a legal configuration, so: -if you’re shooting a DA/SA with a safety, you need the safety on -If you’re shooting single action only (like a 1911/2011), you need the safety on -If you’re shooting a DA/SA with a decocker, you need to decock See rule 10.5.11 Also keep in mind that holstering/drawing inside the tunnel is a DQ for unsafe gun handling under 10.5.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraj Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 (edited) You need to put the gun back in a ready condition. 8.1.2.1 “Single action” – chamber loaded, hammer cocked, and the safety engaged. 8.1.2.2 “Double action” – chamber loaded, hammer fully down or de-cocked. 8.1.2.3 “Selective action” – chamber loaded with hammer fully down, or chamber loaded and hammer cocked with external safety engaged (see Divisions in Appendix D). Edited September 8, 2018 by Kraj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKorn Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 36 minutes ago, Kraj said: You need to put the gun back in a ready condition. 8.1.2.1 “Single action” – chamber loaded, hammer cocked, and the safety engaged. 8.1.2.2 “Double action” – chamber loaded, hammer fully down or de-cocked. 8.1.2.3 “Selective action” – chamber loaded with hammer fully down, or chamber loaded and hammer cocked with external safety engaged (see Divisions in Appendix D). Technically the conditions for safe reholstering are slightly less restrictive than this- see 10.5.11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 2 hours ago, DKorn said: Technically the conditions for safe reholstering are slightly less restrictive than this- see 10.5.11 Technically 8.2.5 says must be empty or in a ready condition. Nothing about 10.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKorn Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Sarge said: Technically 8.2.5 says must be empty or in a ready condition. Nothing about 10.5 I must’ve missed that one! Good call, this is why I love the rules discussions. So so based on your reading of 8.2.5, someone shooting a DA/SA Production gun should decock prior to reholstering? What is the penalty if they do not? It can’t be a DQ since 10.5.11 isn’t violated... can it? Edit: Rereading it, hammer back safety on is a legal ready condition for a Da/SA gun, just not one you can start in for Production. Does this mean you can reholster with the hammer back in production as long as you put the safety on, or not? Edited September 9, 2018 by DKorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Jones Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 If it has a hammer and it is cocked, you MUST have the safety ON, otherwise: DQ! If it's hammer down, no safety is required. Decocking is certainly acceptable if the gun is capable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 39 minutes ago, George Jones said: If it has a hammer and it is cocked, you MUST have the safety ON, otherwise: DQ! If it's hammer down, no safety is required. Decocking is certainly acceptable if the gun is capable. This^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 50 minutes ago, DKorn said: I must’ve missed that one! Good call, this is why I love the rules discussions. So so based on your reading of 8.2.5, someone shooting a DA/SA Production gun should decock prior to reholstering? What is the penalty if they do not? It can’t be a DQ since 10.5.11 isn’t violated... can it? Edit: Rereading it, hammer back safety on is a legal ready condition for a Da/SA gun, just not one you can start in for Production. Does this mean you can reholster with the hammer back in production as long as you put the safety on, or not? Correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, nagantino said: Course designers may not design a course of fire that requires the competitor to re-holster, however a competitor may choose to re-holster during a course of fire as long as it is done safely. Rule 8.2.5 I have never seen anyone reholster during a Stage or Course of Fire, then continue shooting, but I think this is permissible. I ask because the Cooper Tunnel always gives me a problem especially if I have to back out of it to contiue shooting. So........must inform the RO of my intentions to do so and what procedure clears the gun to his satisfaction? Yes I did. Had to pull a rope that released a swinger, leave the box, draw and engage targets. Well short stroked the pull, left the box and had already drawn the gun. Since I had to pull the rope with strong hand it was better to re-holster, turn run back to box and repeat. Probably could have just taken the procedural, but in the heat of the moment just didn't. Buuut the RO, experienced, told me he should have DQ'd me but wasn't sure. I knew he shouldn't have, and didn't, but we discussed it for a little bit anyway!!! I was very much aware to apply the thumb safety BEFORE re-holstering though. Edited September 9, 2018 by pskys2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 I've been shooting USPSA for 30 years, on and off, and have NEVER even considered reholstering during a COF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revoman Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Shoot a revolver and you never have to worry about reholstering it. Unless you cocked the hammer back and I don’t know why you would ever do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Cooper tunnels were mentioned... 10.5 Match Disqualification – Unsafe Gun Handling ... 10.5.4 Drawing or holstering a handgun within the confines of a tunnel Reholstering on the clock just has too many things to go wrong. There have been times when I have considered placing the gun on the ground or prop to get out of a position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagantino Posted September 9, 2018 Author Share Posted September 9, 2018 It's an age thing I guess and the fear of DQ if you leave the Cooper Tunnel and point the muzzle in an unsafe direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 12 hours ago, Hi-Power Jack said: I've been shooting USPSA for 30 years, on and off, and have NEVER even considered reholstering during a COF. Only 30 years? Now back in the day.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, pskys2 said: Only 30 years? Now back in the day.... Go easy on Jack. He's got short term memory loss and 30 years is as far back as he can remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, GrumpyOne said: Go easy on Jack. He's got short term memory loss and 30 years is as far back as he can remember. Wasn't dissing him, more like commiserating, I started in 1978 and still at it, thankfully. My original USPSA # A-135. Edited September 9, 2018 by pskys2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I’ve reholstered a few times during 3gun matches that allow it, but never in a USPSA match. Just make sure your handgun is in the same condition as a loaded start, and there shouldn’t be any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 The only time I've ever done it was to walk back and activate a disappearing target after I had shot all of the other targets (off the clock, but still during the COF) It was Area 7, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 6 hours ago, waktasz said: The only time I've ever done it was to walk back and activate a disappearing target I still wouldn't have holstered. I'd have kept the muzzle pointed down range, and walked back. Just me, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3gunDQ Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I have seen it done. It is also a trick to a reshoot.... reholster and run toward your shooting bag away from the COF. As soon as you are stopped by the RO who is very confused ask for your reshoot. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Hi-Power Jack said: I still wouldn't have holstered. I'd have kept the muzzle pointed down range, and walked back. Just me, I guess. Pretty much everyone else did that. It was easier for me to just holster it and turn and walk to where I was going than to walk backwards through the entire stage again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Only time I've seen it done is by people who are uncomfortable moving with a gun in their hand. Usually for a long uprange run where they won't be shooting or moving a distance to their weak side. As an observer it is often just as frightening to watch them try and reholster as it would be seeing them move with the gun in their hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, rowdyb said: it is just as frightening to watch them reholster as it would be seeing them move with the gun in their hand. ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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