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  1. I see why you would say that, but I disagree. As the shooter, and especially as a trained RO, I should have recognized that pointing my muzzle down range while he was fixing the target was unsafe. Even if he directly and explicitly had told me to aim at a target off to the other side that would have absolutely meant that my muzzle would be down range but nowhere near him, the right thing to do would still have been to refuse.
  2. I agree that there are scenarios in which sweeping is RO interference and shouldn’t be a DQ. However, pointing my gun in a generally unsafe direction - down range when there is someone working on something down range - is completely and totally on me.
  3. Now that everyone has had a few days to discuss the situation and what the ruling should have been, and I’ve had time to think over it a few times, I want to chime back in with my thoughts. I was the shooter. I screwed up, and I probably should have been DQ’d. Ultimately, I am the only one responsible for the safe handling of my firearm, and I was part of a series of events that ended up with an unsafe situation - a loaded firearm pointed at a person during a match. Sure, the stage design contributed to the initial events, but I am still the only one responsible for my muzzle direction. Sure, the RO also made mistakes that contributed to the situation becoming unsafe, but I am still the only one responsible for my muzzle direction. Ultimately this was nobody’s fault but mine because I was the one handling the firearm. I will be paying extra close attention to my gun handling to ensure safety in the future, particularly when shooting a PCC since a PCC gets handled in situations where a handgun would remain holstered. If something happens during my make ready that requires someone to go down range to fix it, I will ask the RO to unload and show clear first. If I am shooting a PCC, I will tell the RO to have me unload and show clear first and will not accept that going muzzle up with a loaded rifle is safe. If I am the RO and a similar situation occurs, I will ask the shooter to unload and show clear before fixing the problem. Not only is it safer, it also lets the shooter go through their normal make ready routine. If I feel that I have committed a truly unsafe action at a match, I will seriously consider putting my gun away and being done for the day, even if I don’t necessarily have to. If I witness or am involved in an unsafe situation or any kind of safety issue at a match, I will notify the RM and MD, even if there isn’t necessarily a rules call or DQ to bring to their attention. TL,DR version: I screwed up. I should probably have been DQ’d. I’m going to try to be extra safe in the future.
  4. 10.5.5 specifically states that if the RO is swept, the RM must decide whether it is a DQ or RO interference. I’m not sure if it applies here (hence the question in the first place), but it definitely implies that RO interference is an exception to a DQ for sweeping.
  5. Would you still DQ the shooter if the RO has explicitly told him to “Pick up the rope and assume the start position”, which for a PCC involves stock on belt and muzzle down range, and if the RO wasn’t swept until he walked back and crossed in front of the shooter? Not trying to argue, just curious where you would draw the line between shooter responsibility and RO responsibility.
  6. My CO gun has a front sight only. It’s there because I also shoot the same gun in Production and didn’t feel like bothering to take the front sight off. The rear sights on my gun (Q5) are on the swappable plate, so I don’t have them when I have a dot on the gun. I don’t think it helps or hurts me. It’s just there.
  7. I’m not sure what you’re getting at, but at the time the RO was fixing the activator, he was significantly farther than 6’ away from the shooter. At the time he crossed in front of the muzzle, he was probably a few feet away. I’m not sure if it was more or less than 6’.
  8. This is basically my feeling on it. A series of brain farts and unsafe actions by multiple people, with the RO contributing enough of it that the shooter got lucky and got to finish the match, but only because the RO felt that it was his responsibility. With a different RO, this could definitely have gone the other way, and I think either call might have been reasonable.
  9. Easy things that would’ve prevented this: -different style activator -adjusting the activator so that a harder pull was required -using a longer rope so that it wouldn’t be fully stretched out in order to reach the start position -having the shooter unload and show clear before sending someone down range, or at the very least having the RO stay with the shooter to maintain positive control of the shooter -the shooter should have either refused to pick up the rope and figure out the distancing while someone was downrange, or kept his muzzle up while doing so -the RO coming back uprange could have recognized the potentially unsafe situation and either instructed the shooter to go back to muzzle up and/or walked around instead of in front of the shooter Did I miss anything?
  10. The RO does not hold a current RO certification but was trained and certified in the past. I believe his cert expired several years ago.
  11. I’m wondering what people think would have been the correct call for a situation that happened at a local I shot yesterday. I see multiple preventable things that led to the situation; I’m more interested in what should’ve been done after it happened.There was a stage with a moving target activated by a rope. The activator took a very light pull to activate. The start position was standing on marks holding the rope in the strong hand, handgun loaded and holstered, PCC loaded with stock on belt. Multiple times on our squad the shooter accidentally activated the target during make ready and it had to be reset before hey could shoot. A shooter was shooting PCC. During his make ready, he loaded the carbine and assumed his normal start position (stock on belt, weak hand on handguard, strong hand on grip) while holding the rope and accidentally activated the mover. The shooter was directed by the RO to go muzzle up and wait while the RO reset the target. The RO then told him to grab the rope so that they could figure out how far back his hand could be without activating the target while the RO stayed near the target to prevent it from activating and to reset it if necessary. As he grabbed the rope, the shooter leveled the carbine downrange - not sweeping the RO, since he was downrange but off to the left - so that he could figure out where in relation to the carbine his strong hand could be with the rope without accidentally activating it. The RO then came back uprange to the start position and crossed in front of the muzzle as he did so. The shooter immediately went muzzle up and said something along the lines of “Hey, I think I technically swept you. Is that a DQ?”. The RO told him that since he told him to grab the rope and since he moved across the muzzle rather than the shooter moving the muzzle across him, it was his fault and the shooter was not DQ’d. Should he have been DQ’d? Or did the RO make the right call?
  12. I don’t think you’re a jerk for not helping setup, but it really depends on the culture of the specific match/club. If the expectation is “we need help setting up the morning of, and if you’re here, please try to help,” then you should help if you show up early. If the expectation is “most stuff is already set up and a handful of people are going to hang targets and make last minute tweaks,” then offering to help would be nice but not required.
  13. I figured as much, just wanted to emphasize for others who might skip that step. The biggest key for me is to stop walking the stage over and over again after you have a solid plan. Once you have a plan that’s good enough, stop trying to improve it, memorize it, and start visualizing it. A decent plan well executed will usually best a great plan poorly visualized and executed.
  14. One thing you’re missing (but probably doing anyway) is to review the written stage briefing for the start position and number of targets. Then, before you do anything else, make sure you’ve actually found all the targets. If the stage is confusing as far as which targets are which, with stuff available from multiple positions, etc (a “memory stage”), it can help to step outside of the shooting area to figure out the targets, then go back to the regular planning process. To me, finding all the targets is the most important thing because the biggest (non-DQ) penalty that a single mistake can cost you is 2 mikes and a failure to shoot at.
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