outerlimits Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Well, after checking my holster, I was at 2.5 inches! I use a Ghost holster, so it is fully adjustable. I had to tilt it back in towards the top, then my slide racker hit my belt. So then I turned it so the bottom of my grip was closer to the belt. Now it is time to practice my draw since the holster doesn't sit the same. I think my biggest concern is that OPEN is being restricted. What's next? Doug It's already restricted! That's why EGW made the gauge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Well, after checking my holster, I was at 2.5 inches! I use a Ghost holster, so it is fully adjustable. I had to tilt it back in towards the top, then my slide racker hit my belt. So then I turned it so the bottom of my grip was closer to the belt. Now it is time to practice my draw since the holster doesn't sit the same. I think my biggest concern is that OPEN is being restricted. What's next? Doug Open's been restricted in this manner since at least 2001....... So this is hardly anything new...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug S Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Went back and checked, and the rule has been there for a long time. Made it through a couple Nationals and a lot of Local matches without ever being checked. My bad, it is corrected now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillD Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Every major I have shot or worked this was indeed checked I've been to maybe 35-40 majors? I can't ever remember anyone checking this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Went back and checked, and the rule has been there for a long time. Made it through a couple Nationals and a lot of Local matches without ever being checked. My bad, it is corrected now! I had a good rant going on the change, until I went back through old rulebooks....... ....and discovered it's been the rule for at least a few months longer than I've been a member.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nghthwk1911 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 This is one of the rules that if you are not wearing your gun at your knee or some have some stupidly obvious contraption no one is going to look twice. We should all "strive" to follow the rules, and install that thinking in new shooters as they come into the sport. But this is one of the rules that "I" feel is there just to keep us all from getting out of hand and grounded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitedog Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I agree. I believe it's "eyeballed" using Kentucky windage. If it looks close it's ok. Just keeps the honest, honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Every major I have shot or worked this was indeed checked I've been to maybe 35-40 majors? I can't ever remember anyone checking this. Like I said, they don't walk up to every shooter and accost him with a ruler. But they do that to the ones that look obvious from across the range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillD Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I've attended several Nationals, most of the close Area matches and a ton of section matches. Never seen anyone with a ruler. You would have thought in all those chrono sessions, someone in my squad would have been checked at least once. Based on my experience, they don't check. Too bad it's not in SS. I need to either lose the love handles or get an offset holster. An offset holster would be easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergie Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Too bad it's not in SS. I need to either lose the love handles or get an offset holster. An offset holster would be easier. The 2" rule does apply in SS division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillD Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I still need an offset holster. That's not allowable in SS is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) I still need an offset holster. That's not allowable in SS is it?the SS rules call for the gun to ride much higher on the belt. I guess offset would be ok but not dropped Edited February 3, 2014 by Sarge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frag316 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 When you say "offset holster," what do you mean, specifically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Offset away from the body at the top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atbarr Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 AT would be glad to hear that!LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Here is a good example of a ss legal offset holster. Blade tech holster with stingray fixed with belt attachment. Get longer screws and the nut they screw into. Buy plastic spacer from hardware store and drill one in open a little more so the bushing slides in it which keeps it from moving. Add tiny locknut between belt bracket and plastic spacer. And tighten up. Mine is rock solid and offset but not dropped and works great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) The problem with the Bladetech DOH in SS Division is the "D". The "O" (if it's not beyond 2 inches) is fine. -ivan- Edited February 4, 2014 by ivan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Since I have not had much success in getting an answer for the previous questions I asked, I'll try something new. Troy says there is no penalty for having an illegal holster, i.e. more than 2 inches, etc. The solution is to have the shooter adjust the illegal holster, What if the holster can not be adjusted. It is what it is. Now what? Troy says there is no move to Open period. That is because the same rule applies in Open also So do we just allow the shooter to finish the competition with an illegal holster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Since I have not had much success in getting an answer for the previous questions I asked, I'll try something new. Troy says there is no penalty for having an illegal holster, i.e. more than 2 inches, etc. The solution is to have the shooter adjust the illegal holster, What if the holster can not be adjusted. It is what it is. Now what? Troy says there is no move to Open period. That is because the same rule applies in Open also So do we just allow the shooter to finish the competition with an illegal holster? That sounds worse than a move to open...shooting for no score...You can't score him with illegal equipment, wouldn't be fair to all the legal ones.... and if you do score him, then I'm gonna break this rule everytime...clear advantage with no consequences. .. Edited February 4, 2014 by GrumpyOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 AT, sounds like you might have gotten off lucky being moved to Open....better than having no score at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frag316 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) Here is a good example of a ss legal offset holster. Blade tech holster with stingray fixed with belt attachment. Get longer screws and the nut they screw into. Buy plastic spacer from hardware store and drill one in open a little more so the bushing slides in it which keeps it from moving. Add tiny locknut between belt bracket and plastic spacer. And tighten up. Mine is rock solid and offset but not dropped and works great Yeah, I did the same thing. It's still the same height, but out from the body. Still within the 2" rule, too. I used 1/4" nylon spacers from Lowes. Same holster, too. Edited February 5, 2014 by frag316 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 so let me ask this question, my holster was also out, so I adjusted to conform, during adjusting I noticed I have a bit of "play" on the horizontal plane. Do you think the checker would give benefit of applying slight inward pressure to gun? or how it happens to be sitting at time of test? I ask because I got it eyeballed at the 2" to grip and its right there but if a bit of push is done on the grip I got it easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfchorn Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Since I have not had much success in getting an answer for the previous questions I asked, I'll try something new. Troy says there is no penalty for having an illegal holster, i.e. more than 2 inches, etc. The solution is to have the shooter adjust the illegal holster, What if the holster can not be adjusted. It is what it is. Now what? Troy says there is no move to Open period. That is because the same rule applies in Open also So do we just allow the shooter to finish the competition with an illegal holster? Since there is no penalty available, the only option would be to refuse to start the competitor on the remaining COFs until the equipment was within specifications. That pretty much rules out shooting for no score, since once you start the competitor, the run counts. The seemingly appropriate fix is to remove the 2" requirement in open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deacon12224 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Since I have not had much success in getting an answer for the previous questions I asked, I'll try something new. Troy says there is no penalty for having an illegal holster, i.e. more than 2 inches, etc. The solution is to have the shooter adjust the illegal holster, What if the holster can not be adjusted. It is what it is. Now what? Troy says there is no move to Open period. That is because the same rule applies in Open also So do we just allow the shooter to finish the competition with an illegal holster?Since there is no penalty available, the only option would be to refuse to start the competitor on the remaining COFs until the equipment was within specifications. That pretty much rules out shooting for no score, since once you start the competitor, the run counts.The seemingly appropriate fix is to remove the 2" requirement in open. I still don't understand why 6.2.5.1 doesn't apply here. 6.2.5.1 However, if a competitor fails to satisfy the equipment or other requirements of a declared Division during a course of fire, the competitor will be placed in Open Division, if available, otherwise the competitor will shoot the match for no score. It should be no different than any other equipment requirement. If it gets noticed before you shoot, you can be asked to adjust it to comply, no harm no foul. If it gets noticed "during a course of fire", bump to open if available. Since the requirement we are talking about also applies to Open, Open is "not available" and you shoot for no score. I can't imagine that the drafters of the rulebook decided to make an equipment requirement that applies to all divisions that has absolutely no penalty other than adjusting if you get caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) Since I have not had much success in getting an answer for the previous questions I asked, I'll try something new. Troy says there is no penalty for having an illegal holster, i.e. more than 2 inches, etc. The solution is to have the shooter adjust the illegal holster, What if the holster can not be adjusted. It is what it is. Now what? Troy says there is no move to Open period. That is because the same rule applies in Open also So do we just allow the shooter to finish the competition with an illegal holster?Since there is no penalty available, the only option would be to refuse to start the competitor on the remaining COFs until the equipment was within specifications. That pretty much rules out shooting for no score, since once you start the competitor, the run counts.The seemingly appropriate fix is to remove the 2" requirement in open.I still don't understand why 6.2.5.1 doesn't apply here. 6.2.5.1 However, if a competitor fails to satisfy the equipment or other requirements of a declared Division during a course of fire, the competitor will be placed in Open Division, if available, otherwise the competitor will shoot the match for no score. It should be no different than any other equipment requirement. If it gets noticed before you shoot, you can be asked to adjust it to comply, no harm no foul. If it gets noticed "during a course of fire", bump to open if available. Since the requirement we are talking about also applies to Open, Open is "not available" and you shoot for no score. I can't imagine that the drafters of the rulebook decided to make an equipment requirement that applies to all divisions that has absolutely no penalty other than adjusting if you get caught. only option is to shoot for no score... Edited February 5, 2014 by GrumpyOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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