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  1. Probably would have helped to be explicit about what kind of gun you have--I think a rifle using pistol mags (like GLOCK or 2011) is different from something like an MPX or Scorpion. Probably would have helped to explain where you have your reloads now and what handed you are, because your options are confusing to me without that explanation. I run a Scorpion, and I reload rifles with a beer can grip. That means my PCC mags are on my left side (I am right handed) with the bullets facing back. I personally felt this was the best option, because I'm going to reload any rifle with my left hand (under normal circumstances) and with a beer can grip. I've tried indexing rifle mags from chest and belt pouches like pistol mags and it just didn't work that well for me--not sure why, because indexing a pistol mag is easy as pie with my left hand (usually bullets out or forward, depending on the gun). Since it sounds like you're running GLOCK mags (or mags like them), it's probably best for you to treat those mags the same way you would treat any pistol magazine.
  2. You could go with a Mechtech upper mounted on a 2011 frame.
  3. Like I said, I'm just asking the question. I'm just unsure of the overall reasoning for the difference.
  4. I shot my first PCC match last Saturday. I have a Trijicon RMR with the 12.5 MOA green triangle over the CZ Custom Shop low mount. I liked it a lot.
  5. Well, you're comparing apples to oranges. Does any legal start position allow you to face downrange with a drawn and loaded pistol in your hands? (EDIT: Hint--8.2.3 A course of fire must never require or allow a competitor to touch or hold a handgun, loading device or ammunition after the “Standby” command and before the “Start Signal” (except for unavoidable touch-ing with the lower arms). Said rule is removed in the PCC Rules Addendum posted on the website.) I guess I don't find "low ready" to be that difficult to enforce consistently, since it starts with the muzzle at a 45-degreeish angle with the point of the bottom of the stock in the shoulder. And I did not read "stock on the belt" as "port arms." To military guys, "port arms" is very different from that ("FOUR INCHES FROM YOUR CHEST, PYLE!!! FOUR INCHES!!!"). I'm not sure you'd find any rifle drill that classifies "port arms" as the muzzle pointing anywhere but at an angle pointing over your left shoulder and the stock pointing at your right hip, with the rifle held parallel to the body. So that terminology doesn't work. If you want the stock of the gun touching the belt and the muzzle pointed downrange, then they need to draw a diagram and specify that as the default start position. I get that it's a provisional division. That's why I asked the question. That is absolutely not true. If you hold the gun tight to your body with the muzzle pointed at the ground, it won't break the 180. Nor will you sweep yourself, because the muzzle will also point over your muzzle side knee, but will not cross it. And I think table starts for everyone is NOT the way to solve the problem. I'd really be interested in hearing from someone like Troy on this, because I haven't seen much discussion on PCC other than "go out and shoot it" from anyone in the USPSA leadership.
  6. Why not? The default position for starts with a PCC is low ready. If the muzzle is pointed at the ground, it shouldn't be a problem. Why is the stock on the belt? That makes no sense to me. Oh, sure--difficult to keep wrists above shoulders when you're holding onto a gun with two hands.
  7. So I shot my first PCC match yesterday (22 Oct 16), which featured two or three uprange starts, including the classifier. When I first looked at the proposed rules/best practices document, it explicitly stated "no uprange starts," or words to that effect. After shooting the match, my question is "why?" Intellectually, I understand why--you have a loaded gun that's not in a holster, so the most safe way of dealing with uprange starts is to not allow them. Having done movement around people with loaded guns as part of my military background--including a drill that looks a lot like an uprange start--I don't know that I feel there's enough difference between a loaded PCC and a holstered pistol starting uprange to warrant a change to the start position. As long as a competitor doesn't swing the gun to his/her shoulder until they're past perpendicular to the side berm/wall--much like a pistol competitor doesn't start their draw until their holster is perpendicular to the side berm/wall--they won't break the 180 and (more importantly) should not sweep a spectator or an RO. Am I missing something here? I'm not married to the idea of uprange starts, I'm just trying to understand the rationale.
  8. I shot my first PCC match yesterday, using a Scorpion Evo with a dual-illum 12.5 minute green triangle RMR. I personally thought it worked great, and didn't really have any issues with it jumping around. I used the CZ Custom Shop RMR mount, because it'll let me cowitness the irons, if I need to.
  9. Did you move the grip forward and try that for the mag release? I ran into the same problem until I moved it.
  10. frag316

    PCC carbine

    I picked up one with the faux can and absolutely love it after putting about 160 rounds thru it. Couple of questions: 1) Anyone know what mag pouches are a good fit for the Scorpion? I was looking at the G-Code Softshell Scorpions (cheaper than a TACO), but wasn't sure whether I should get the pistol version or the rifle version. 2) I've heard there are folks working on basepads and/or extenders. Any words on this? 3) Best trigger kit--what are the options, prices, and opinions?
  11. image.png How is the diagram, and the red line, different from behind the forward point of the hip bone? It isn't, really, but the diagram is designed to give everyone a visual reference for something the ROs had to poke people to find before. As it was administered on the day I shot SSN, the ROs basically looked at folks before the first stage. If they looked close, they took the person/people aside and made a closer inspection of the diagram and the competitor. I think that happened to one person in my squad (not me).
  12. I'm on board with this too. I rely on what I see and hear, and while I may decide not to utter "Stop" at one moment in time doesn't mean that I don't do it a split second later, when something has changed and tells me that's the prudent course of action...... (Taking a break to get back to the original point of the post.) And that's primarily my point. Will I stop everyone who slips and falls? No. I think it's an RO's responsibility to stop someone who is in jeopardy of not being able to continue safely or if the RO believes the competitor may have lost control of the gun. Competitive equity takes a back seat to safety. If I had a doubt in my mind and didn't stop the competitor and then something happened later that could have been prevented by stopping the competitor, I'd feel horrible--especially if someone got further injured or injured a spectator and I could have prevented it. Now, if a guy slips and falls on his fourth point of contact and gets back up and I don't have that moment of doubt? Keep shooting, sparky--I hope you salvage your run and make up for it later. At least you'll have a good story to tell at lunch with your buds. It's really about whether I feel comfortable with the safe conduct of a course of fire subsequent to a fall. Again, the worst outcome is that the competitor gets a reshoot and doesn't biff it the second time around. Is competitive equity really that important? It's important, but safety is overriding. Your story about completing a motorcycle race with a torn ACL is not really germane to the conversation, because we're talking about completely different sets of rules and circumstances. The fact that you've not seen the situation in running thousands of competitors is also not germane. All circumstances vary wildly, and the RO has the responsibility to maintain safety.
  13. *shrugs* Look, so I used "conceive" instead of "imagine." Get over it. I gave an example or two a couple of items above, so I figured you'd read them. If you still can't or won't IMAGINE them because you've run thousands of competitors, then I don't see the point in continuing the discussion, because you have decided you haven't seen a situation where you might stop someone for anything that's not DQ-able or a forbidden action or what have you. Guys tweak knees and twist ankles all the time, and I personally wouldn't want them to try to continue unless I could verify they were physically able to do so. I might think they lost control of the gun or something and be determined to be wrong after I say "stop." So they get a reshoot, which apparently messes with competitive equity, which is apparently more important than the competitor's health or admitting an RO might have thought something happened that didn't. I have a friend who was running a competitor who biffed it in a big way and he stopped her because he wasn't sure she'd retained control of the gun. She had, so she got a reshoot. Big flippin' deal--she got to reshoot the stage and didn't have to eat a stage with a poor time because the RO wanted to make sure the competitor was safe when she ate gravel. How's that? [emoji849] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  14. *shrugs* That's fine. If you can't conceive it, I don't think there's a point in continuing the conversation. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  15. I suppose that's all well and good, but how do you determine when "they need to be stopped?" What's your criteria? I have mine and am comfortable with them, but I'd be interested in hearing yours.
  16. 7.1.1? (Emphasis mine) And the fact that every CRO at the big matches I've attended generally say something like "It's our responsibility to safely assist you thru the course of fire."
  17. OK, a competitor falls while you're running the timer. You have doubt in your mind. But they haven't swept themselves, haven't broken the 180, haven't AD'ed, have their finger outside the trigger guard. You stop them. Are you going to give them a re-shoot for RO interference and prejudice the other competitors who maybe ran that part of the course a little slower to avoid falling? Or are you going to hand a bunch of FTE's and mikes on them because you stopped them before they finished the COF? Or maybe you're going to send them to the queen of dairy despite having committed no DQ-able infraction? So, if you're the RO and you aren't sure that safety isn't compromised, but competitive equity is soooooo important that you're willing to waive that doubt? *shrugs* Your call. In my mind, anything potentially impinging safety is worth thinking about if you have doubt. I look at it like the targeting rule in college football--I'd rather call it and be criticized than not call it and have something bad happen.
  18. Again, I'm not saying you stop every competitor who falls. But if the RO has the least bit of doubt in their mind the competitor can safely continue, I think it's the RO's responsibility to stop the competitor and sort things out, rather than potentially letting it ride and turn into a bad situation.
  19. I don't know if I'd go so far as to say "only stop a shooter when they've done something DQ-able." If a competitor falls and you're not sure whether they still have control of the gun, go ahead and stop them, in my not-so-humble. The worst that happens is they get a reshoot for RO interference. The best outcome is that you find they did not have control of the gun and they don't try to salvage what's left of the stage with the gun in an unsafe position or condition. Additionally, if the fall is bad enough, I think I'd probably stop the competitor if I was worried they were injured beyond scrapes and bruises. Yeah, I know--that's on them to stop themselves. But if you're not sure if they're going to need assistance to clear the stage, why not just be a proactive and considerate RO and stop them to better assess the situation? Again, the worst outcome is that they get a reshoot for RO interference. The best outcome is that the competitor (and the RO) can properly assess their physical condition and then take the precautions to safely clear them from the stage and administer aid. Reasonable people can disagree, and someone will likely ask Troy his opinion (if he doesn't weigh in himself), but I don't think this has to be a binary solution set. If the RO is the least bit concerned the competitor or the gun might be in an unsafe position or condition, it's their responsibility to stop the stage and assess the situation off the clock.
  20. Skeets likes to say it's the stage where you can lose more points than any other in the match.
  21. So, that begs the question--wouldn't a per-shot procedural for failure to follow the stage brief be the appropriate penalty? I'll be honest here--I don't know that I understand the stacking penalty well enough to assess it. I'd probably default to something like failing to follow the WSB.
  22. Ehh, I'm splitting hairs, but I don't think a chamber-flagged gun in the hands of a competitor is the same as a gun in a competitor's holster. If we're going to DQ a guy for removing a belt with a holstered gun on it, then sweeping someone with a chamber-flagged gun should buy the all-expenses-paid trip to DQ. IOW, if a guy sweeps me with a gun at a match, I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FORNICATION IF IT HAS A CHAMBER FLAG. One of us is going home.
  23. I would wager you could repurpose your existing stand to accommodate a 650. From pictures I've seen, the footprints don't look that different, and you probably have a similar amount of movement for the lever. What I don't know is whether you've bolted your existing stand to the floor. You might consider measuring your current press' footprint and then getting dimensions from Dillon to see if they're similar, then comparing the Dillon's dimensions with the mounting surface you have to see if it will fit.
  24. You should be able to start with cast data and work up to determine the safe load for FMJ. Start with the lowest load and work your way up, checking for pressure signs until you either get signs or you reach the desired effects. Do not do that in reverse, by the way--you should not use FMJ data to determine safe loads for a cast bullet.
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