fastluck13 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I will cast a vote for the PM9. It is probably the most refined of the widely available 9mm SS guns. I have one and it is awesome in every way. I know 4 or 5 people with them here locally and they all like them. That said, there are a lot of STI guns floating around too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind bat Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Wait, let me guess, you shoot a Glock don't you? Lol. I guess I did come off as a gloomy Gus. To answer your question I'm primarily a CZ guy but I love 1911s. And it makes me a sad panda seeing tons of 9mm 1911s get traded away because the owner expected them to run like a modern production line gun. The 9mm and 40s/w 1911s are weird birds, especially 9mm with full weight slides. The 1911 was designed around a long, 200pf round so feeding it short 130pf loads results in all sorts of interesting side effects. The point I was trying to make is that for competition use, having a gunsmith on call who knows how to deal with odd caliber 1911s is as important if not more important than the roll mark on the slide. Additionally, you can't just send a gunsmith a competition 1911 and say 'make it run'. The ammo and mags are critical variables and need to go along for the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermoto Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 My Spartan runs awesome straight from the factory. Put a 9lbs spring in it, grabbed a bunch of Dawson mags. 9mm are not difficult to get to run, especially when they don't have a low scope mount like open guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKW Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 JKW Love the grips - what are they? Thx They are part of the Techwell system. I think they are only referred to as "Balck and grey diagonal" at dealers. I like them well enough, but as G10 grips go, they are not nearly as grippy as the VZs I have on another gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3324temp Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 My 9 runs perfect, seriously, zero issues. Ammo is round nose,132pf, loaded to 1.150 oal. I compete with it 3 times a month. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDH Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 S&W Pro Series X2 I don't know if it's the best but I shot mine all last year and was happy with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crossgun Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 What would be a good option if I wanted to run a double stack 9mm 1911? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafdov368 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I'm shooting an STI Eagle, The grip is stippled and undercut, and there's a STI tactical magwell on it. Works really well for me. I find the reloads a lot quicker than the single stack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S&W686 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 For ESP division I have used several handguns for competition. I have tried STI Trojan, STI Eagle, Glock 34, Wilson Combat CQB, but I am most happy with my current ESP 9mm which is an STI USPSA 9mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
400driver Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Thanks JKW. Will check out some Of your suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike21STI Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 - Buy any 9mm 1911 - Buy a bunch of reputable mags (Wilson, Dawson or Tripps) - Work up load and play with springs until the gun almosst runs. - Send gun, mags, ammo and $500 to a good 1911 'smith. Wish I was joking. Anyone who considers a 40/9mm to be competition ready out of the box is either damn luck or in serious denial. I must be in the lucky crowd. I have an STI sentry that I only had one malfunction with and that was only because I didn't inspect the defective round before I put it in the mag before the stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob DuBois Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Purchased a used Trojan a few years back little tuning and had it hard chromed now has 30,000 through it. One of my favorite pistols. Just purchased a used Spartan 5 had Teck Well mag well and extended magazine release. Little tuning and polishing nice pistol fit was better that I thought it would be. Spartan seems to like Metalform Magazines the best, running Wilson in the Trojan. Spartan has run every bullet weight I've tried. As well as ESP class in IDPA I've shot Steel Challenge and a few IPSC matches in single stack. These little nines are a lot of fun and cheap to shoot, fun working up loads for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingchef Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 SV and to make it even better. interchangable breechfaces and barrels for 40 and 9...smoother than butta! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpeltier Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 What would be a good option if I wanted to run a double stack 9mm 1911? caspian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDee Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 +1 for what Blind Bat said about knowing a gunsmith. I recently got into a DW PM9 and it is a learning curve to make everything run as well as my production guns. In the middle of break-in. So far it is really choosy about bullet profiles and the tolerances are wicked tight. Fit and finish are impeccable, trigger is EXCELLENT, and reliability will get there, but I expect to spend a few bucks to get it where I want it to be for competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermoto Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 +1 for what Blind Bat said about knowing a gunsmith. I recently got into a DW PM9 and it is a learning curve to make everything run as well as my production guns. In the middle of break-in. So far it is really choosy about bullet profiles and the tolerances are wicked tight. Fit and finish are impeccable, trigger is EXCELLENT, and reliability will get there, but I expect to spend a few bucks to get it where I want it to be for competition. If the gun won't run out of the box, then it wasn't built right. There is no way around that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02doooce Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 +1 for Springfield Armory Loaded SS in 9mm. Dawson FO front sights, slide tri-topped, 3.5lb trigger job, match KKM barrel and bushing, wrapped around VZ grips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2MoreChains Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 My 2 cents: if you're going to get a 1911 in 9mm, why not get a bushing barreled 9mm 2011 (ala Eagle)? Other than not being able to shoot a 2011 in SSD, it can pretty much do double or triple duty in other competitions. Shoot it loaded to 10+1 in ESP. Shoot it loaded to capacity in Steel Challenge and 3-gun. Heck, shoot it in Limited-minor if you like (I have, but found my slight increase in speed didn't make up for the bigger loss of minor scoring...). I shoot a 6" .40SW 2011 in Limited, but for all the other comps I shoot my 9mm 2011. The recoil of 135 PF 9mm ammo is silly soft, mags hold a healthy number of rounds (17 in a 126mm or 23 in a 140mm mag), and 9mm reloading components are cheaper. My 9mm 2011 is a semi-custom: frame started out as a Eagle chambered in .40SW but after I got that 6" 2011 I had a 9mm top end built for the Eagle. I put the .40 slide back on it when I need a back-up gun for major matches, but 99% of the time it wears the 9mm slide/barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKW Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 My 2 cents: if you're going to get a 1911 in 9mm, why not get a bushing barreled 9mm 2011 (ala Eagle)? Other than not being able to shoot a 2011 in SSD, it can pretty much do double or triple duty in other competitions. Shoot it loaded to 10+1 in ESP. Shoot it loaded to capacity in Steel Challenge and 3-gun. Heck, shoot it in Limited-minor if you like (I have, but found my slight increase in speed didn't make up for the bigger loss of minor scoring...).For me there were several reasons for not buying an Eagle when I bought my Trojan. The only one that seems as valid now as it did then is cost. I bought my Trojan as a new condition second hand gun and at what I paid, a new Eagle would have been a pretty good chunk of change more. Now if i were buying a brand new hard chrome Trojan the gap narrows significantly. It narrows even more if one were to get lucky and find a used Eagle. Another reason I felt a single stack was a better option is because I was a little bit afraid of the cost and finiky nature of the mags. Looking at it now, the mags don't seem all that expensive (especially considering that I have bought 4 more TacSol mags for my 2211 at 80 bucks a pop) nor do they seem the require magic dust (I dont even know where the hell I got that idea) to make them work. The final, and I now realize the worst reason, for me not buying a 2011 is that I thought I would just use my already nicely set up Glock 34 if I even needed a high capacity 9mm. Boy was I wrong. Since getting the Trojan, and even though I wasn't new to 1911s, I just don't want to shoot the Glock much anymore. Don't get me wrong. It's as reliable as anybody could ask of a pistol, I shoot it reasonably well, and for some reason I can't imagine selling it, but I'm just not drawn to it like I was before starting to shoot a 9mm 1911. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jswhitesell619 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 I have been very happy with my Trojan that I bought second hand but I'm loving every second with it! Its an amazingly soft shooting gun but has been VERY reliable to me. I have used good mags, Wilson, and have been lucky to run very well. I would have loved to buy an eagle, but the cost of eagles aren't as cheap as their single stack siblings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 I hear alot about sti and dan wesson pm9? any others There is an old adage about beauty being in the eyes of the beholder. It applies a lot to chice of firearm. Both the STI and DW PM-9 are excellent pistols. I personally prefer the DW PM-9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 I like shooting my Spartan and thinking of all the money I saved. Can buy lots of reloading components. If they would make a 40 Spartan, I'd be all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhhuber Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I started with a Dan Wesson Guardian 9mm and love it. It is mainly a carry gun and I would only recommend it for IDPA and not USPSA. However, I recently purchased a Wilson Combat CQB Elite in 9mm and I have to say it is by far the best shooting pistol I have. Plus Wilson's customer service is second to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambluemax Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 - Buy any 9mm 1911 - Buy a bunch of reputable mags (Wilson, Dawson or Tripps) - Work up load and play with springs until the gun almosst runs. - Send gun, mags, ammo and $500 to a good 1911 'smith. Wish I was joking. Anyone who considers a 40/9mm to be competition ready out of the box is either damn luck or in serious denial. Boom...well said. I had a Spartan 9, extractor wore out excessively soon. I traded it for a sw pro series 1911 which has been awesome thus far. Sti Trojan is also an excellent choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDee Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 +1 for what Blind Bat said about knowing a gunsmith. I recently got into a DW PM9 and it is a learning curve to make everything run as well as my production guns. In the middle of break-in. So far it is really choosy about bullet profiles and the tolerances are wicked tight. Fit and finish are impeccable, trigger is EXCELLENT, and reliability will get there, but I expect to spend a few bucks to get it where I want it to be for competition. If the gun won't run out of the box, then it wasn't built right. There is no way around that My new PM9 actually just went back to DW for service, so your comment is exactly on point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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