Dragonscout Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 I just gave my Dad my Glock 30. It's a great gun that did all I wanted, but on my short body it was a little harder to conceal. I found an almost new Kel Tec P11 for $250. Heard all kinds of crap, but after talking to 3 guys that have multiple KT's and shoot the heck out of them, thought I'd see for myself. Glad I did. It's got a little more recoil because of the extreme light weight, but VERY easy to conceal, has 10 rounds and if I take my time, shoot 3" at 25 yards. It has digested every type of ammo I've thrown at it without a jam. If I'm not carrying my RIA Tactical, the P11 is just the trick. You can also use S&W 59 magazines which it was designed to do. Here's another goody for most shooters. Go to Youtube and find great takedown videos that show how really owner friendly they are since you can change out any part in under 5 or 10 minutes. OR you can spend more and get used Glock compacts for around $400 from CDNN or other vendors. Then go to a Glock GSSF match and their Match Armorer will do a full takedown and inspection as part of the the pre-match safety check. hope this helps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Any small Glock over the guns you listed. Glock 19 for holster/truck console for me. For a true pocket pistol probably an LCP. Those things are tiny. Sorry I didn't clarify, but if I were to open carry I would just carry one of my Kimber Pros. I'm looking for a concealable pistol. One that I can tuck IWB and carry on my business around my property without drawing too much attention to myself. Also, where in the world can you get a Glock 26 for $400? I bought a like new Glock 26 from an individual in Atlanta for $400 recently. I have seen clean used Glocks 19s and M&P 9Cs for $400 also from individuals. I see new Kahr 9s regularly for $349. The Shields are hard to find in stock - I got a Shield for $419 plus tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb. Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Spend $100 more for a glock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifeislarge Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 I've got 1000 rounds through my Taurus 709 slim with zero failures. Had a PF9 that had FTF, FTE problems from day one. When the firing pin fell out that gun went back to Keltec for warranty then sold. The Taurus, with Pierce finger extensions shoots as accurate as my Sig at 15 yards. I've considered making a change to the Shield, or the Beretta Nano, or the LC9 (my buddies already shit the bed), and I just can't justify trading out an accurate and reliable pistol for something "new". For me, with the right loads, I'd rather have 100% reliability and certain death to the bad guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aglifter Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 What else do you shoot? If you run a 1911/2011, I'd stick w. the M&P, since, IMO, its the closest of the tupperware to the 1911 platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingPaper Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I don't know if you like revolvers but I have a Ruger LCR that I like a lot. Is under $400 and chambered in 38spl or 357 Magnum if you want a little more edge, is super lite, ultra reliable and a very smooth trigger pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 caracal . I have the Full size model. centerfire systems has them for $399 delivered. Sweet soft recoil impulse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGus Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I have a Kahr CM9 that has been perfectly reliable and would highly recommend. I think I paid $425. I have a Don Hume inside the waistband holster for it and a Ritchie Leather pocket holster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aci Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I've got 1000 rounds through my Taurus 709 slim with zero failures. Had a PF9 that had FTF, FTE problems from day one. When the firing pin fell out that gun went back to Keltec for warranty then sold. The Taurus, with Pierce finger extensions shoots as accurate as my Sig at 15 yards. I've considered making a change to the Shield, or the Beretta Nano, or the LC9 (my buddies already shit the bed), and I just can't justify trading out an accurate and reliable pistol for something "new". For me, with the right loads, I'd rather have 100% reliability and certain death to the bad guy. Glad you got a good one, I finally had to complain to the BBB to get a resolution to 709. OP-I'd look for a used kahr cm,cw- don't go higher then 9mm, glock 26,27, ruger lcr or lcp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motochris Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I just picked up a used (but less than 200rds) G23 with CTC laser site for $350. If you look and aren't in a big hurry..there's deals to be had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksshooter223 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 +1 for Glock...why limit yourself to this $400 figure to protect yourself? How much do you spend on car insurance, home/renters insurance..? I know just a little enabling here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 I haven't heard anyone mention the Taurus Millennium, but I had one in 9mm which was a great shooter. I know Taurus QC is outsourced to the customer (I'm one for two sending guns back with defects), but the Millennium I bought used for $350 worked flawlessly; pretty tight groups too for what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Just a note: A very good friend of mine is an ER doctor in a "high crime area", he tells me that a high percentage of guys that get hit with 9mm or less walk out after treatment. Guys that get hit with .40's often spend the night at the hospital. Guys that get hit with .45's tend to suffer much worse injuries and the percentage of survivors is much much lower. Read what you want from that when it comes to a carry gun Keep in mind that the intent is to stop the bad guy from doing what it is he is doing, Not always necessary to lay them out cold. Causing pain is the deterring factor. Carrying a 45 can get heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiny Warrior Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 +1 for Kahr CW9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic_jon Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Just a note: A very good friend of mine is an ER doctor in a "high crime area", he tells me that a high percentage of guys that get hit with 9mm or less walk out after treatment. Guys that get hit with .40's often spend the night at the hospital. Guys that get hit with .45's tend to suffer much worse injuries and the percentage of survivors is much much lower. Read what you want from that when it comes to a carry gun Keep in mind that the intent is to stop the bad guy from doing what it is he is doing, Not always necessary to lay them out cold. Causing pain is the deterring factor. Carrying a 45 can get heavy. Something that needs to be figured in here also is this. How many of those were JHP and how many were FMJ/ball "target" ammo? As to the original question, carry what is comfortable to you that you can shoot accurately under stress. With the size of my hands my P3AT has a grip ext on it and I shoot it one handed. My XD service .40 is just right in size and is reliable as heck. That being said, my next carry will either be a SC M&P, SC XD, or an M&P shield as I can fit two hands on them and not worry about scorching or blowing off the tip of my support hand thumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 classic_jon I guess we just have different ideas I don't mind the weight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic_jon Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 classic_jon I guess we just have different ideas I don't mind the weight For me it is not so much the weight as the size with the clothes I normally wear to work etc. With my normal "weekend clothes" the XD service is not an issue, with slacks etc, the pocket sized ones are much easier to deal with. :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmg Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Has anyone tried the CZ Rami for a ccw gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRush Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 A used G17 will come in under budget, but won't carry in a pocket. With a good holster it is no problem though. Personally I find the smaller Glocks in .40 hard to control, but the 19 and 26 are fairly easy to shoot well. The 17 just does everything a little better if you are going to wear a good belt and holster. I have a 17 with good night sights, a dot connector, and factory mags and I have only had 1 malfunction out of thousands of rounds (including home cast reloads) from inserting a 17 round magazine loaded with 18 (wasn't counting, and too much pressure on bottom of slide). Its a police trade in manufactured in 1996. My buddy has an M&P9c that is a nice size and easy to shoot but the striker just broke so it is going back to S&W. The recommendation for a S&W 642 is a good one if you want something you can pocket carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeMartens Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Has anyone tried the CZ Rami for a ccw gun? Thick, kind of heavy, very short grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhere2 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I have had a kahr cw9 for about 2 years and really like it. I think I paid $430. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OUshooter Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I like my cm9. It pocket carries easily and so far runs pretty good. I've got less than 500 rds through it, so the jury is still out on overall reliability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Sorry, but as much as I love autoloaders for this game for SD/CCW I will pick a 442 or Ruger SLR. 1. Stupid proof. 2. If your round doesn't go off you just pull the trigger again. No tap rack bang. 3. No slide to be pushed out of battery if the discussion is up close and personal. Personally I carry a 442 with appropriate +P rounds. Yeah, it doesn't have the wow factor of the new miniautos, only has five rounds, and I would be happier with a bit more powerful cartridge but I consider 1, 2, and 3 above as more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB12 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Caracal C. http://centerfiresystems.com/CARACAL-CS.aspx Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillD Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Sorry, but as much as I love autoloaders for this game for SD/CCW I will pick a 442 or Ruger SLR. 1. Stupid proof. 2. If your round doesn't go off you just pull the trigger again. No tap rack bang. 3. No slide to be pushed out of battery if the discussion is up close and personal. Personally I carry a 442 with appropriate +P rounds. Yeah, it doesn't have the wow factor of the new miniautos, only has five rounds, and I would be happier with a bit more powerful cartridge but I consider 1, 2, and 3 above as more important. I agree. And since I've carried a concealed handgun for 35 years and never needed it, I'm not going to go crazy on a carry gun again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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