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  1. 13 Stages have been sent to DNROI for approval410 rounds 11 field course (29, 6-32's, 3-40's, 1-44)1 virginia count standard (16, 2 strings, with sho/who)1 speed shoot (9)Still time to get registered https://practiscore.com/sns-400-indi...nship/register
  2. Because saying a classifier is legal or not has nothing to do with the Divison or equipment in it. Any change to a Divison can have an effect on the High Hit Factors for that Divison. So 6 vs 8, moon clips vs loaders, irons vs optics, major vs minor, all can have an effect, positive and negative, and needs to be considered. When 8 round was allowed there was no consideration for classifier stages that had more than 6 rounds, so there were High Hit Factors that were way off.
  3. It is not about legal, it is about established High Hit Factors for classification and how making a change in a division would effect it. This is already been screwed up before with the 6 to 8 round change effecting some HHFs on stages with more than 6 rounds. And it definitely was acrewed up for PCC. The larger issue that has been mentioned is that it is harder to shoot than other divisions and the cost of entry is pretty high considering what you need to get started. Take for example someone that is new and wants to get going, it is not just the guns, holster, moon clips, moon clip holders, moon clip loading tool, demooning tool. If you ask a Revolver shooter they will also tell you that you will need trigger job and other work on the gun and becasue of that you will need to reload ammo with only Federal primers, and you do t have to get a 929 you can get other models and can reload short Colt... It is overwhelming, do all that and now spend hours learning how to reload the thing. Shooting a stage is much harder, 8 rounds minor, very limited capacity with minor scoring... you guys are masochist. If optics are allowed then you are going to push away the people that won’t spend the money to “upgrade” their firearms. If it adds anyone it will maybe be a wash with those that leave it. If optics on revolvers are allowed in CO very few would make the change in my opinion, because you are up against 22-23 round guns. If I am wrong, if people do move, will it be new people or just already pull from Revolver and reduce the already dwindling numbers? Would it be the end of Revolver? What causes and effects have to be looked at not just for the immediate results but the 2-3-4-5 years from now effect. You can’t just stick an optic on a revolver and pop it in Production Divison, you have to figure out the HHF. You also can’t just give Revolver major scoring and reduce the power factor to say 145, the HHF have to be adjusted, and the same can be said for just adding an optic to the existing division.You can’t just flip a switch and make everything line up. Even looking at the limited participation in this thread Revolver shooters are not in agreement with what changes “might” help. I am a member of the bylaws and rules committee, however I do not vote. As a full time employee I am there to assist with the discussion based on being engaged at the club level, Match Director Level, and trends with in the industry and our members. Any change I believe would have no net gain and would more likely have a negative effect with less participation by rising the perceived cost of entry or divide competitors numbers by adding optic Revolver to any other Davison, basically killing Revolver as a division. Maybe a review of Appendix A2 with regards to participation and recognition, but for all divisons, not specific to just Revolver. However it will be met with resistance because of the “participation” medals idea. The men that created this did so to test the theories and equipment of combat shooting and to continue to develop techniques and technology, not to give a ribbon to the 3rd place out of three. This isn’t little league t-ball. As a match director and competitor I actually like Appendix A2 the way that it is 10% recognition at Area and Nationals and 20% at Level 2, but I could make an argument to separate Area/level 3 and Nationals, but for all divisions, not just a doing a “special” thing for one.
  4. I do not think adding optics to Revolver will do anything for increase participation, I think it would actually hurt. Current competitors may not want to have the added cost of now having to get an optic The cost of entry for newer competitors is going to be higher and the competitors that didn't switch to 8 rounds are not going to dust off their 625's to get 627/929's now to add an optic. I think that there are some other changes that could be done that might help Revolver/L10 and Single Stack with regards to max round counts at level 1 and 2 matches and participation levels for Area matches in Appendix A2
  5. Appendix A2, which is sometimes misunderstood, allows a match to announce what divisions will be included. As I understand it was so that there could be Stand alone division matches i.e. Revolver Nationals, or Factory Gun Classic etc. The second part of Appendix A2 refers to the participation levels to recognize a division (class and category) by match level. The recognize part in this appendix refers to awarding Area or National Champion and the earned slots that go with it. Unfortunately the MD for Area 2 is within the rules, right or wrong, but are using the participation level to decide to not even allow it, which is not what the intention of the appendix is. I would recommend contacting the Area 2 Director about your question.
  6. Stuart is at the CZ Custom Shop
  7. Revolver shooters shoot the same targets, require the same amount of RO's etc in a match, what's next discounts for L10 and Single Stack? Matches are selling out, MD's do not need to throw discounts to get attendance up. There are matches that are raising entry fees to see where the tipping point is in attendance. The cost of hotels, supplies, ranges and just getting staff to work a match has gone up. Revolver is as active as revolver shooters want it to be. There are more clubs, more matches and more shooters then ever before, but wheel gunners are not coming out As far as big sponsors for Revolver Division..Smith&Wesson is out, their current leadership is not interested in supporting the division or matches. Outside of fielding a team it has yet to be seen if Ruger is going to jump in on a bigger level. Last year the Revolver Division for Nationals was sponsored by Hogue, and that was 100% because of Art Leach, however he is now retired. When USPSA hits the ground for a Nationals we have to weigh the cost of stand alone events. It takes 5 paid entries for every one staff. Every extra day we have staff at the range our cost is about $15000 or more depending on the location (lodging, per diem, food, supplies etc) So to put on a stand alone Revolver Nationals, one day match actually adds two nights of lodging for most RO's, an additional day of range expense, supplies, and everything else that goes into a Nationals, plus not many people want to shoot that many stages in one day, so what would attendance look like? 60-70, 80 people? If there were 100 paid entries at the regular Nationals entry fee for a stand alone match following the same model, 3 days with 18 stops, average of 4 RO per bay Match fees would be $28500, expense would be $40-45000 if it was added to existing match, $100k if it were stand alone. (The difference here is RO travel reimbursement, if they are already at a match in a back to back format then it is one travel reimbursement) There are 574 members and 233 non-members that shot a total number of 2702 activities (a paid match result) that generated about $8k in activity fee revenue There are 1857 active current USPSA members with a Revolver Classification. Active meaning that they have shot a match in 2018. So of the 1857 only 574 shot a match last year. We set up the 2019 HICAP and LOCAP and separated out Single Stack and Revolver in its own Nationals, that match will hold 432 competitors. We are taking a gamble on what the attendance will be because the cost of it will be the same as the other matches. We had already put the HICAP/LOCAP contracts into place before it was announced that the Single Stack Classic wasn't going to happen, if we knew that it may have changed how we did the schedule. That being said, if there was the traditional back to back, one day, Classic National format, how many Revo's would come out and shoot it if it were 12 stops/13-14 stages?
  8. There are 2 signed up for the SNS 400 Indiana Section, need 3 more to have it recognized for awards. Who wants to come shoot against BossHoss and MikeS? https://practiscore.com/sns-400-indiana-section-championship/register
  9. Go see Stuart, ask him about the gun they did for me (article in the next issue of Front Sight)
  10. Stage 8 was not shot in the other 2 matches, it was not set up right, it slowed the match way down being doubled with the other stage as well. I spent a lot of time in Florida earlier this year mapping everything out, Shannon Smith is the real hero for taking what was on paper and making it happen with the stage change overs and the planned stages that were only shot in Match 2. The plan was a shooting match, nothing crazy, no silly props or circus acts, or kick in ass memory stages, I may have mentioned that somewhere 2019 Dates and divisions are already set, no we are not doing a back to back to back 9 Days in 2019. We are doing a HICAP Nationals and a LOCAP Nationals Sept 22-28 in Utah 22nd-24th Open/PCC 26th-28th CO/Limited November 3-9 in Frostproof 3-5th Production/L10 7-9th Single Stack/Revolver These will be 3 day formats 6 stops per day, 20-21 stages caped at 432 competitors for each match this format will allow for an additional 432 slots for a total of 1728 slots there will be a break day between the matches that will allow for change over Registration won't be open for awhile... We will do something different in 2020..
  11. There is not a gunsmith at the range, at least not one that is set up to provide services Yes, each matchbook will get updated, however the stages that stay the same will have the same information
  12. The range opens at 12:00 on Friday It will be open everyday from then on Registration for Optics opens at the same time, and then again at 6:30am Saturday morning, and will be available till 12:45 for the PM squads. On Monday the 22nd registration opens for the Factory Gun Match and then on the 23rd at 6:30am for those that cannot make it and will be available till 12:45 for the PM squads. Then samething for Limited, 25th at Noon and then 6:30am Friday, till 12:45 for PM squads. The range will be open everyday from the 19th at noon till the end of the last match. Please remember that the folks at registration will be leaving on the 22nd and 25th at 5:30pm to go to the awards ceremonies. The stages that are not being shot in match 1 are on the ground already. The only thing will be the stages that change over for match 2 and 3 that will be done after last shots fired, but the range is open the next morning at 6:30. walking stages is covered on two important pages 20&22 Updated match book with start position and procedures was released earlier today and emailed to all competitors for Optics with important links to the equipment survey and waivers that need to be completed before arriving. https://uspsa.org/matchbooks/Optics/#page=1
  13. I thought rope pulling was an euphemism
  14. What you do after the match is up to you
  15. It will be linked with bay 4 in Area 1 Or bay 5, I am driving and don't have my map handy It is in there though..
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