Pelican82 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I think I just need to NOT know which stage is the classifier during a match. I can run any of the other stages with a really good hit factor compared to the Master class shooters, but when I get on a classifier I seem to psych myself out and can't break 60% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaster113 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I'm in the same boat, I think we try too hard with classifiers and we crash and burn as a result. I need just one more good one to move up to the next class and I keep on screwing up on the classifiers as well. Its just a mental thing. Gotta try and shoot it like you dont care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoBolo Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Well all this time I thought u-2 was just sand bagging. . I normally finish a match with an overall percentage over 60% hit stages as high as 85% 90% but I can't make B in Open? Where I think it is, the field courses favor speed and the classifiers and lots of them have very tight shots favor accuracy. So on the next classifier just think hit, take the time you need to make the hit but don't leave any time on the table and it will come together. Then when you know you have made it, they send the scores in with a check and they don't make the cut off, so now either sit home for a month or go out and blow it, with a mediorce run, no way burn it down or blow it out. I put my B at risk yesterday but shot a 62% today well who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 It's always a problem of where our concern or attention is focused. If attention is focused on the outcome (classification) instead of the present action, the outcome is rarely good. Learn to be where you are, not where you wish you were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Learn to be where you are, not where you wish you were. More words of wisdom from my friend and mentor. Sam is much more eloquent from the keyboard than he is at the range. He usually tells me to, "Just shoot the thing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfinney Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Its just a stage. Shoot it. Thinking "ooh, this one counts, I have to shoot it in X.XX time" to make a set goal is a trap. Get your A's as fast as your front sight allows. Having said that, (and all the mental stuff aside) - many classifiers do test certain skill sets besides spray and pray, and run and gun. Are you really comfortable with weak hand, barricades, awkward ports, partial targets, Virginia count? Do you approach every shot that a classifier can demand and think "I can do that" because you have practiced all of the shots you use to hate or fear til you can't get them wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 you HAVE to get your hits on the classifiers. One miss or even a couple of Ds and your hurt bigtime. You just gotta try to treat it like a regular stage and not think about and try to not outshoot your own personal abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkatz44 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 If you call your shots at the earliest opportunity, you will be fast enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gohuskers Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 you HAVE to get your hits on the classifiers. One miss or even a couple of Ds and your hurt bigtime. You just gotta try to treat it like a regular stage and not think about and try to not outshoot your own personal abilities. +1 to this. Lot of it is mental conditioning/preparation. Lanny Bassham's book is a big help in this regard - Brian has it in his store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Gene Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Pelican, Time and patience. You don't have that many matches under your belt yet if I understand correctly. Keep your positive attitude, you will go a long way. That said, I know exactly how you feel, and can totally understand the frustration. WG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 I use to focus on classifiers soo much. I learned to live without regard to them. Classifiers are about draws and reloads. You have to get them down cold. Accuracy is pretty much key. If you are very very fast you might be able to make up a low point hit with speed. On your next classifier, focus on accuracy. Really go after your points. You will find in a short period of time your speed will come to you naturally. The down side of focusing on speed rather than accuracy is that you might make it to the next classification but you will have so many defects that actually shooting that percentage in a match is highly unlikely. I am a pretty solid B shooter, many of my finishes are right in line with my average. To me, that is what is important. I do not want to be a "paper GM/M/A/B." Let me say this, it was extremely hard to dial back the push for speed and replace it with the push for accuracy. I wish I did the accuracy first, it would have saved me a few years of bad habits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelican82 Posted March 1, 2011 Author Share Posted March 1, 2011 Thank you for the encouraging words guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 It's always a problem of where our concern or attention is focused. If attention is focused on the outcome (classification) instead of the present action, the outcome is rarely good. Learn to be where you are, not where you wish you were. Perfectly said. Thanks Sam. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosa Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 It's always a problem of where our concern or attention is focused. If attention is focused on the outcome (classification) instead of the present action, the outcome is rarely good. Learn to be where you are, not where you wish you were. brilliant. honestly this is a great way to put it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Halley Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 It's always a problem of where our concern or attention is focused. If attention is focused on the outcome (classification) instead of the present action, the outcome is rarely good. Learn to be where you are, not where you wish you were. This is great stuff. Work first worry later. Its just a stage. Shoot it. Thinking "ooh, this one counts, I have to shoot it in X.XX time" to make a set goal is a trap. Get your A's as fast as your front sight allows. Having said that, (and all the mental stuff aside) - many classifiers do test certain skill sets besides spray and pray, and run and gun. Are you really comfortable with weak hand, barricades, awkward ports, partial targets, Virginia count? Do you approach every shot that a classifier can demand and think "I can do that" because you have practiced all of the shots you use to hate or fear til you can't get them wrong? This takes me back to the horrors of the beginning. Now all I can do is smile about it as I look down from somewhere on the side of Progress Mountain. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lugnut Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Learn to be where you are, not where you wish you were. More words of wisdom from my friend and mentor. Sam is much more eloquent from the keyboard than he is at the range. He usually tells me to, "Just shoot the thing." Awesome- I like both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermoto Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Classifiers are usually high risk stages, low points with high penalty count. You don't win the match on the classifier, but you can easily lose it. Survive the stage, get your points and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo Boy Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Not having the slightest clue as to which stage, if any, is a classifier is probably a help for me, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calmwater Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeMartens Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Go zero or hero...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooter57 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 I always like the Just shoot and don't worry about the outcome until it's over. Think of it as a practice run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 The key is to consider ALL of the stages in the match just as important as the classifier. If you do that then every stage is very important to execute properly on and you get over being anxious about just the classifier. In the big picture of the match the classifier stages are usually not worth many match points, so they are effectively not the most critical stages to perform the best on. I go to a match to do the best I can for the whole match, not just a single stage. I would much rather tank a small classifier stage verses a 32 round field course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketCity1911 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 I too have had struggles with classifier stages - gun malfunction, hit a no shoot, or had a miss I was just pressing too hard trying to live up to unreasonable expectations. Recently, I shot an all-classifier match (5 stages). My mindset going into this match was just shoot A's however fast or slow it takes me, but settle for nothing less than A's. When the scores came out, I won the match. All I did was shoot consistently from stage-to-stage never worrying about competing with anyone or how the outcome would be counted for all time. My fear of the classifier stage is no more Also, it felt really good to finish a match knowing I shot solid A's and got the most points I could get. That was bang for the buck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Focus on the shooting and the basic mechanics and don't get wrapped up in tension or results. Just do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biloxi23 Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 All of the above was excellent advice. Thanks guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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