Troy McManus DNROI Nationals Incident

[CHA-LEE]

3 hours ago, waktasz said:

So who gets to be DNROI next?

It would probably make the most sense if USPSA Interviewed for and Hired someone for the position that can actually do the job effectively. Instead of the current process of "My buddy can do it" so lets see how it works out....

[CHA-LEE]

There are way too many examples of current USPSA Employee's repeatedly performing inappropriate actions or incompetent work performance which in any "Normal" business would result in immediate termination on the first occurrence.

 

The simple truth is that nobody is holding these employees accountable for their poor actions or ineffective work performance. That is the root of the problem. If screwing it up or acting like a donkey in public had a tangible penalty within USPSA HQ policy, and was actually enforced, then it wouldn't be happening.

[robertwyatt]

Let's put this into context for a second...

Foley started a fight with the Ben's. Blamed it on being tired. The board allowed it.

Foley kicked out Flowers. Blamed Stoeger.  The board allowed it.

Foley tried to pick a fight with Trevor Cotter. The board finally removed him.

 

YeeMin Lin joked around with his friends. Troy McManus removed YML and the board allowed it.

Troy McManus and Jake Martens went after Zach Smith. The board allowed it.

Troy McManus threatened Tim Dunderi for what other people did. The board allowed it.

Troy McManus swore, threatened, and abused a competitor and volunteer. The board is going to allow it.


Why is it the only person the board went after on the first go was YML? The board spoke about having a harassment policy. Does that only apply to employees they don't like? Why has the board gone to such lengths to protect the repeated actions of it's employees?

 

At this point, our stages have more standards than the USPSA board of directors.

[haiedras]

1 hour ago, CHA-LEE said:

It would probably make the most sense if USPSA Interviewed for and Hired someone for the position that can actually do the job effectively. Instead of the current process of "My buddy can do it" so lets see how it works out....

That's actually how it went the last time. Meeting minutes in 2013/2014 showed that when John Amidon left, Carl Schmidt, Ray Hirst, and Troy McManus applied and were interviewed for the opening and Troy was hired.

[Gene_WI]

Hypocrisy destroys institutions. If YML was de certified for inappropriate horse play at a major match, Troy needs to get the boot.

[CHA-LEE]

2 minutes ago, haiedras said:

That's actually how it went the last time. Meeting minutes in 2013/2014 showed that when John Amidon left, Carl Schmidt, Ray Hirst, and Troy McManus applied and were interviewed for the opening and Troy was hired.

 

So out of the WHOLE NATION of potential candidates to do the job, only three "Buddies" were considered and interviewed for the job. I don't recall a publicly available job posting for the DNROI position.

 

What you described is exactly what I described.

 

USPSA HQ is run like most local Clubs are administered. Who is considered or gets to do the job? The last man standing who is willing to "Volunteer" to do it. This is exactly what happens with local clubs and is mirrored at the top of the org at the HQ level. Doesn't sound like an effective way to acquire and retain the best talent for the job does it?

[BritinUSA]

There were a few new positions in HQ that were created under Foley, not sure what job postings were listed or how many applied. Salaries grew enormously under his administration.

[robertwyatt]

6 minutes ago, Gene_WI said:

Hypocrisy destroys institutions. If YML was de certified for inappropriate horse play at a major match, Troy needs to get the boot.

There is no doubt Troy needs to be given the opportunity to defend himself, and if found to be in violation, appropriate punishment including removal as DNROI needs to take place.

 

In addition, we as an organization need to take a hard look at how we have allowed one position to have such a high degree of unchecked power in the organization.

 

The power of DNROI needs to be checked. Should we apply term limits? Should DNROI become a rotating position among the RMI’s?

 

We need to take a hard look and determine the best way forward so member perception of DNROI is restored as a neutral and fair judge of our rules and policies.

[haiedras]

6 minutes ago, CHA-LEE said:

 

So out of the WHOLE NATION of potential candidates to do the job, only three "Buddies" were considered and interviewed for the job. I don't recall a publicly available job posting for the DNROI position.

 

What you described is exactly what I described.

 

USPSA HQ is run like most local Clubs are administered. Who is considered or gets to do the job? The last man standing who is willing to "Volunteer" to do it. This is exactly what happens with local clubs and is mirrored at the top of the org at the HQ level. Doesn't sound like an effective way to acquire and retain the best talent for the job does it?

Minutes showed the vacancy was posted.

https://uspsa.org/documents/minutes/20140710.pdf

 

Bylaw 16.4 also states that dnroi must be an RMI or be able to attain RMI status within 12 months of selection and a be Life member. Not sure how many RMIs there were in 2014, but currently there's...11-12 iirc?

 

[CHA-LEE]

2 minutes ago, haiedras said:

Minutes showed the vacancy was posted.

https://uspsa.org/documents/minutes/20140710.pdf

 

Bylaw 16.4 also states that dnroi must be an RMI or be able to attain RMI status within 12 months of selection and a be Life member. Not sure how many RMIs there were in 2014, but currently there's...11-12 iirc?

 

The Bylaws basically eliminate the chance of a candidate being anyone other than someone on the Good Old Boys club.

[outerlimits]

3 hours ago, ltdmstr said:

 

Worden.  They should have went with him to begin with.

god no.

[Sarge]

I thought Troy made up rule #1, "Don't be a dick".

[robertwyatt]

2 minutes ago, Sarge said:

I thought Troy made up rule #1, "Don't be a dick".

Well yeah.. 

 

Not for him of course

[robertwyatt]

Here is my question

 

Will the board of directors act? If not, what can members do to force them to act?

 

For all the conversation here, are people writing the board members? All of them? What about talking to the members at our clubs?
 

The board watches these forums. They know most members will be mad for a week and then move on to something else.

 

However, if we all make our feelings known. They have to act. When they pushed that fee increase, enough members actually held them accountable they were forced to act.

 

This is still OUR sport. We as local clubs effectively are the power of the purse. If we stop sending the organization money through membership and activity fees, they can no longer function.

 

We have to act. It’s one thing to talk on the Internet forums. It’s another to talk to the members in your club. Tell them the problems and concerns. With enough support, we can make the changes necessary to fix our sport.

[BritinUSA]

The members and the clubs control what revenue is sent to the organization. How many of those members and clubs even know whats going on at HQ?

 

Some members that have openly criticized USPSA have received lifetime bans from the BOD. So if the BOD can suspend members for being critical, then how does the word get out to all the 16,000 members that actually shoot USPSA ?

[rowdyb]

54 minutes ago, BritinUSA said:

The members and the clubs control what revenue is sent to the organization. How many of those members and clubs even know whats going on at HQ?

 

Some members that have openly criticized USPSA have received lifetime bans from the BOD. So if the BOD can suspend members for being critical, then how does the word get out to all the 16,000 members that actually shoot USPSA ?

Uspsa will sell your info to a 3rd party. Have a shell Corp buy the entire email list and then send an email to everyone. Day after day.

 

Take out a full page ad in front site and say it there. 

 

Guerrilla marketing at every, and I mean every, match.

[shred]

Or just buy the banner on Practiscore for a while...

 

[ima45dv8]

It's gotten too personal. 

 

Closed.