Schutzenmeister Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, Thomas H said: Yee-min Lin was a certified USPSA RM? Not to the best of my recollection ... CRO, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMSMB Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 According to his bio on the USPSA website, from when he was running for president, he was RO, CRO, and RM. https://uspsa.org/elections/candidate/2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broadside72 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, BMSMB said: According to his bio on the USPSA website, from when he was running for president, he was RO, CRO, and RM. https://uspsa.org/elections/candidate/2 He has been an RM at a major matched but not a certified RM via NROI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lroy Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 What's the process of taking away someones RO cert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 https://uspsa.org/pages/nroi/policies/rodiscipline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Tier 2, level 4. There is no requirement for Progressive discipline, if he wants to take it all the way to kicking you out of the organization (level 5) he can. Totally subjective and arbitrary. It can be appealed, those level 4 and 5 to the board who makes the final decision, so should yml decide to appeal his level 4, the board would review it and have the final say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 The same board that NROI, because of the bylaws change giving him absolute Authority over it, has to challenge or reverse the DNROI decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Yet the AD4 entered the board with no RO cert, was never granted a waiver (which bylaws do not permit) and continues to sit on the BOD while the elected president was removed. Allegedly was told by another BOD member to not worry about it. He has voted on policy without having the required qualifications and certification to serve. USPSA legal counsel remains silent on this bylaws violation but allows the duly elected president to be terminated from his member elected position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) And DNROI is not selected/voted in by the members. And has you say he has absolute authority to remove any person that has been elected by the members. It is doubtful that any appeal will be successful. They could have easily rejected the suspension at the last meeting. If the appeal is successful then they will have to re-instate him, or face a lawsuit. Their failure to apply the standards evenly, (regarding A4D) will give YML a clear advantage in any legal proceeding. Edited April 19, 2023 by BritinUSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Supposedly a 90-day waiver was granted to AD4, but the bylaws do not allow for this nor do any of the minutes reflect the fact that this was discussed and voted on by the board of directors. There have been revisions and backdating done to meet bylaws requirements regarding the 10 day notifications which also violate the bylaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 I have read elsewhere that there were 160+ days between A4D winning election and Jan 1st (the day when he needed the RO certification). There is a clear double-standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Anyone know what the RO infraction was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, BritinUSA said: I have read elsewhere that there were 160+ days between A4D winning election and Jan 1st (the day when he needed the RO certification). There is a clear double-standard. It was 167 days. There's apparently new legal counsel that has been retained by the managing director but it is unknown what his responsibilities are insofar as USPSA. It is different Counsel than was involved in the Cameo discussions, and there does not appear to be any sort of documentation showing what his responsibilities are at the board meetings which makes his lack of commentary during these discussions where there is such a double standard of application questionable. Organizations have to have accurate, timely and available documentation for members and the board to be able to review at any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, RJH said: Anyone know what the RO infraction was? According to reports of what YML told others: Not resetting stage correctly Not reading the WSB correctly Calling Deltas as Dicks when scoring No progressive commentary or counseling, no warning, removal of RO certification. Who truly knows. Edited April 19, 2023 by vluc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakerjd Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 1 hour ago, vluc said: It was 167 days. There's apparently new legal counsel that has been retained by the managing director but it is unknown what his responsibilities are insofar as USPSA. It is different Counsel than was involved in the Cameo discussions, and there does not appear to be any sort of documentation showing what his responsibilities are at the board meetings which makes his lack of commentary during these discussions where there is such a double standard of application questionable. Organizations have to have accurate, timely and available documentation for members and the board to be able to review at any time. Most organizations don't post any meeting minutes until the next meeting where they are voted on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich406 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 40 minutes ago, vluc said: According to reports of what YML told others: Not resetting stage correctly Not reading the WSB correctly Calling Deltas as Dicks when scoring No progressive commentary or counseling, no warning, removal of RO certification. Who truly knows. I’ve had YML as CRO many times over the years, he’s always been a straightforward and standout RO. the complaint seems way out of character for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakerjd Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Ehh the double standard has been going on since the beginning of time. This nor anything else people do except not renewing memberships en Mas will change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, Bakerjd said: Most organizations don't post any meeting minutes until the next meeting where they are voted on. He was brought in in October of last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 For any organization, meeting minutes are the lifeblood of what his transpired and what the decision making has been. If items are intentionally or accidentally omitted from the meeting minutes, then the fiduciary responsibility of those people is in doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konkapot Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 I don't shoot many Ds but if they were in fact called "Dicks" I would absolutely shoot more of them just to hear them call out 2 D hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 I must say, that seems like not much reason to take an RO card. But that is assuming that the misreading of the WSB was just kind of for fun. I don't know of any rule against saying dicks. I'm also trying to figure out how not resetting a stage right even happens. I mean I get you can forget to reset a popper, but that happens occasionally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 33 minutes ago, konkapot said: I don't shoot many Ds but if they were in fact called "Dicks" I would absolutely shoot more of them just to hear them call out 2 D hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crmcdm Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 13 hours ago, Joe4d said: LOL, you must be new Or.... sarcastic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, konkapot said: I don't shoot many Ds but if they were in fact called "Dicks" I would absolutely shoot more of them just to hear them call out 2 D hits. Me too. Years ago a local club had an RO of Filipino descent with a heavy accent and when he pronounce Two it sounded like Poo, so as you guessed we deliberately shot a lot of targets with Two C's. Man, I miss those days...Good times! I'm surprised that Yee Min Lin's Candidate page is still up and hasn't been nuked to stifle the discussion. I'm sure some one has saved the page. Nolan Edited April 20, 2023 by Nolan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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