broadside72

Not sure what you are trying to say. If the ready condition is unloaded, then nothing chambered and no ammo in it in the mag well. Pretty easy on that one. If ready condition is loaded then there is a definition of loaded firearm in the glossary and 8.1 says its on the shooter to chamber a round. If no mag is in the gun with a loaded ready condition, then no start. Any ammo in the gun (mag well or cylinder or chamber, then it's loaded and good to start.

Those are the folks that need to RTFM then, its covered in two places.

I don't understand the issue, even a copy of the 2008 USPSA rules has the same 8.1 opening paragraph and definition of "loaded firearm" in the glossary as it does now.

Who says you need to have bays that are perpendicular to the centerline of the property? Its more dirt, but you can build some of the bays "sideways" so you enter at the uprange end of the side berm and turn left or right to get to the bay itself. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | | ----------------------------------------- |

If you scale the targets in the diagram, it looks like 4ft to the shoulders.

When you build such a stage, you need to have a few folks make the run from the various spots you could run from and determine the time it will take on average. Then you need to assess the time required for hard aimed shots. If you can design them so the run is the same as aiming or even slightly longer, then there are options to the stage plan for most shooters. Give the physical person the ability to outrun their aiming and points down, and give the better shot a chance when a less physical person. It is a hard thing to balance. I have tried it twice. The first time, the target presentations were too hard from the far position so most folks ran and that was the only legit option. The second time was much better, easier targets but still a challenge. Most folks still chose to run but most of them didn't even realize the targets presented from the other locations. I won't build those kinds of stages very often as it is very hard to balance it.

Topics like this are why we hold a new to comp shooting class every 1-2 months. A single long day to cover the biggest rules, how scoring works, equipement rules, teach about things like walls and fault lines in a classroom, then go onto the range and cover lateral movement with a reload and uprange movement with a reload since most are from a square range or a 360 degree world since they aren't used to our 180 limits. Then we move to an actual stage and how to understand and use a WSB, how to approach a stage, the tape and reset process, and how to be a good squad mate. Help them prepare for their first match. We cover parking lots, CCW/duty folks and how to proceed as well upon arrival to a match. It's been well received and we often have a waitlist each time. 2/3 of the students actually start shooting matches.

8.1.8 was fine as it was. clarifying something is okay too I guess, but other than division rules that were "its only legal only allowed if stated the rules", the rest of the rules philosophy has always been "its legal unless we say otherwise". And they didn't say otherwise. The coaching thing is a PITA. An RO can't be 100% sure the shooter heard or followed the coaching but gets penalized regardless. I really hope ROs are smart about applying such penalties, in both SCSA and USPSA. I like how they clarified where to apply the penalty on the coach, but it screws the shooter more.

P10F is a nice shooter. I use mine for both USPSA and SCSA, though mostly SCSA. Its my backup for USPSA. I EDC a P10C. The P10 has a slightly lower bore axis, and smaller slide so less reciprocating mass. The grip angle of the front strap is the same between the two but the beavertail angles are a little different. Both are good guns so it will be the ergos that define which one you like probably. https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/cz-p-10-f-vs-canik-tp9sf

Since "range" is not defined in the rules, what would a reasonable person outside the shooting world determine makes up a "range"? If it does not include the parking lot on the property that zoned as a shooting range/facility, where is that line between the range and parking lot? Where I most commonly shoot, the parking lot is at grade and the action bays are below grade (the area allocated to the USPSA match per 2.5.1). There is a fairly clear separation. But what about CMP or Cameo where you can park along the road that connects the bays? Where is the separation between the parking lot and the range where rules apply? If you can't clearly and consistently define that line then I can have my loaded gun anywhere but inside the bays themselves under some folks' parking lot theory. I have never been to an outdoor range (an actual shooting facility zoned as such) that has not been fenced in. To me, that makes the entire property a "range" and includes the parking lot. Indoor ranges are different with publicly accessible parking lots. Yes this was long-winded. Just stay loaded and find an RO and have them clear you when you arrive. Then find an RO to get loaded up again after the match. Or find the designated areas for that. I know that people remove their guns in the cars often. I do it when going places I can't have it. I would much rather use a designated area or have an RO watch me since I find it safer than trying to do it all in the car though.

My post was mainly to stir things up for discussion simply because those the three basic comments I hear from others when this topic comes up. Personally, while I care that I do consistently well with general improvements in classy results over time, I am not obsessed with them. In fact, a hero or zero run I did for fun kind of burned me, bumping me with two lucky shots I called as misses, when I can't perform like consistently at a match.

If you find your own overall match performance both locally and at majors is generally aligning with your classification (and you aren't sandbagging) then the classification system is working fine, assuming that the distributions of classes in the match is normal If you find your match perf is lower than your class then you are shooting only the classifiers that don't reflect typical match/stage shooting challenges and the system is flawed. If you find your match perf is higher than your class then you are a sandbagger and the system is flawed.

I'd still end up third place...

In the first pictures posted, the middle ridges of the cardboard are still present and appear under the bullet, so not a full penetration IMO. The second picture could be an edge hit and scored as a NS. Determining if that is a radial tear resulting from the bullet skimming across it is difficult to tell though. I'd probably force a reshoot on this second one since it can not be properly scored.

9.5.9 says that is not a hit as it didn't pass complete through the target. The target stick, though in theory it does not exist per the rules, prohibited the round from passing through. Thus not a hit.

its more than just shooting major. frame mounted optics, compensators, 7+ extra rounds in a big stick contribute to the advantages in open. kind of why everyone hates getting bumped to open as the vast majority can't compete against those things with their "regular" guns.

The only reason I accept that LO and CO are separate divisions now is that I can shoot the same gun Saturday and Sunday at our match and not get totally smoked in open. However, I still think there is not enough differentiation in the results to justify the separate division.

Since every nationals includes a member meeting now, that means any AD and the pres can expense their travels to any nats event

Exactly. It's like saying the Cowboys can go ahead and pay to compete in the SuperBowl every year

Make nats an actual national championship that you earn your way into. Points from sectional and area matches get the top X shooters in each division invited (right of first refusal) and need to pay to shoot, at a single nationals event. Staff gets to shoot the match for free and maybe a per diem and maybe even lodging/travel allowance. When was the last time a full-time nats staffer actually won nats anyway? If you chose to "volunteer" to staff you get your pass to nats since you are "earning" the slot via working rather than being a good shooter and earning the points. The costs should go way down with that model, at least not losing money multiple times per year.

Only 4"? Man you guys must have some decent shooters at your place!. LOL.

Wrap it like a hockey stick or baseball bat grip tape would be. From just above the bottom of the plate to about 1/3 of the way down.

As my original comment states, the PCC exception is stupid.

That is their problem given their choice to shoot PCC. However, if they need to walk back to the table to get their rifle, then they can keep their rifle with them and carry it to the table to unbag it.

I am not talking about "at the moment" or being able to carry then in around in the hand but a change in rules to allow you to point your handgun at the berm while removing it from your bag or holster and directly placing it in the other since it is technically no different than what you can do with a PCC.