Johnny_Chimpo Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 39 minutes ago, Miranda said: so I spent some time recently figuring out how to build a primer reloading press. I thought it may be a good way to make money. (selling the 6 hole press and dies) I guess it may depends on who you want to pay. LOL Good luck with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Primers are luxury goods, so it's not too surprising they are priced at what the market will bear. What's the material & production cost for beer or rubber fishing lures or golf balls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 At some point I'll be buying factory ammo to reclaim the components. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 3 hours ago, shred said: Primers are luxury goods, so it's not too surprising they are priced at what the market will bear. What's the material & production cost for beer or rubber fishing lures or golf balls? ah shred, I am not too sure where that line is... for a poor farmer the price of primers may not include much choice. now golf and lure fishing could be luxurys I can see that... BEER?!? who can live a life without that occasional reward? miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Amazingly enough millions of Mormons, French people and starving children in Africa live without primers _or_ beer. Shocking news from the world of Science! Maybe we should all dress in our best Fudd outfits and go stand around ammo counters in the store discouraging people from buying ammo to get the demand down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Hi Shred, please believe me that I know my post did not directly address your point. I will hasten to add that I did not want to seem grumpy and I thought it was a good attempt at humor. I also wanted to point out that the line from needed to luxury is never clear. all cultures do a beer variant, if at all possible and good health is involved in making beers and breads. so that one is not really considered a luxury. but the line is near it. now a farm without vermin control is not really a luxury... so like a plow, you can run a farm without either and again things are far better with both. This does chase where the line rests. Now here is the reason for my previous post... last I looked, the world of golfballs is super secret squirrel so I can not give you any real info I trust. and your plan to lower the prices for primers does have a lot of merit. miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTerry Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 And in France we have no problem finding primers or beer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 20 minutes ago, PhilTerry said: And in France we have no problem finding primers or beer! Nice! The thing is neither do we. This whole entire thread is mostly one big pity party by a few who can't grasp the concept of pay to play and waste their time trying to justify why primers shouldn't cost what they do and/or vilifying ammunition companies for making a profit based on what the market will bear. There's even one guy on this thread PISSED OFF that European primer manufacturers are entering the US market to make money and give us something to shoot with. Un-f*#king-believable. It's sad, really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Hi Johnny_Chimpo the prices of primers makes a lot of difference. I want that to be the only issue here. In car racing what you advocate is called "racing wallets." Skills and natural gifts are not the arena of the competition. Keep that part firmly in mind. I need to practice. Dryfire is worth a lot and at some point one does take up spending primers to play the game this forum supports. That problem has one possible solution, perhaps called 'a patron' Should that sponsor be willing to outspend you and make sure I win... who beat you to first place? Primers not being available for more than two years is a problem, I also have pointed out many real reasons that we were told out and out lies. Do not tell me 'everybody does it' because that is the same problem writ larger. The prices for primers is, at some point, what the market will bear. and that 'market' never had a say in 'no primers.' We did not get the chance to bid on primers. Sometimes called the black market. The fact that I never had the chance to buy primers for three years has no room for 'pay to play.' "Pay" was not an option. should I have any option, I will exercise my opinions. If you make the mistake of thinking the price of primers is the major problem, you may want to revisit your thinking... miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Miranda said: Hi Johnny_Chimpo the prices of primers makes a lot of difference. I want that to be the only issue here. In car racing what you advocate is called "racing wallets." Skills and natural gifts are not the arena of the competition. Keep that part firmly in mind. I need to practice. Dryfire is worth a lot and at some point one does take up spending primers to play the game this forum supports. That problem has one possible solution, perhaps called 'a patron' Should that sponsor be willing to outspend you and make sure I win... who beat you to first place? Primers not being available for more than two years is a problem, I also have pointed out many real reasons that we were told out and out lies. Do not tell me 'everybody does it' because that is the same problem writ larger. The prices for primers is, at some point, what the market will bear. and that 'market' never had a say in 'no primers.' We did not get the chance to bid on primers. Sometimes called the black market. The fact that I never had the chance to buy primers for three years has no room for 'pay to play.' "Pay" was not an option. should I have any option, I will exercise my opinions. If you make the mistake of thinking the price of primers is the major problem, you may want to revisit your thinking... miranda I quite literally do not care why you couldn't find a way to shoot. I was able to buy primers all through 2020 and 2021. They were there for anyone who put in the effort and was willing to do what it took to be able to shoot. And I was far from the only one able to. Edited February 11, 2023 by Johnny_Chimpo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 May the wind continue to be at your back and the road continue to rise to your feet. miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Miranda said: Hi Johnny_Chimpo the prices of primers makes a lot of difference. I want that to be the only issue here. In car racing what you advocate is called "racing wallets." Skills and natural gifts are not the arena of the competition. Keep that part firmly in mind. I need to practice. Dryfire is worth a lot and at some point one does take up spending primers to play the game this forum supports. That problem has one possible solution, perhaps called 'a patron' Should that sponsor be willing to outspend you and make sure I win... who beat you to first place? I'm sorry you are not more successful. I also don't like paying more for primers, so instead of shooting 250-300 rounds every weekly practice session, we reduced it to 100-150. I wouldn't call myself overly successful either, but my wife and I spend much more on wine each month than we do on primers (shooting 3-4 matches a month with live fire practice every week). My advice to you is learn to brew beer at home, and use the money you save to buy more primers, and when the price finally comes down to something more reasonable, stock up with like 5 years worth so you are prepared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 hi motosapiens, I do not want to brag. and I guess I need to be more clear... so forgive me I have shied away that. After 2008 I made sure I had enough primers to be sure... I had what I thought a 10 year supply... so I have the primers for my own needs. I tried to trade some even for other kinds my Cuz wants. ( had nought but SPP and wanted rifle primers. ) The two attempts to trade for one to one failed... perhaps not demanding that I be paid in extra coins or some other extra made me seem false? I am not kidding in my comments about the primer situation and prices. I despise being told half truths, or being handed misleading explanations. the prices? well, the warnings on that subject were written in large graffiti on the subway walls well before 2020. if you didn't know the availability of primers was going to disappear in 2019 you were paying no attention to California's ammo laws. By then presses and dies were GONE. what follows? .... lies about primers prices? I have paid going rates for one k of rifle primers a few months back. I want this community to be free of such pain because it is largely free of deceptions. I reload because it is a lot of fun. That I can shoot more because I reload is a distant second consideration. reloading primers seems like more of the same fun. And I am not advocating that as a viable solution to the convenience of commercial primers. miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Miranda said: I am not kidding in my comments about the primer situation and prices. I despise being told half truths, or being handed misleading explanations. The ammo companies owe you no explanation. I've read your comical essays regarding primer pricing. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Johnny_Chimpo said: The ammo companies owe you no explanation. I've read your comical essays regarding primer pricing. LOL Your wisdom exceeds my comprehension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 7 hours ago, PhilTerry said: And in France we have no problem finding primers or beer! Yeah, but you're still in France, right? I'm joking, I'm joking, I love French Fires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaterHead Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 French fries are good, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankge Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 fronch fries, fronch bread, fronch dressing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDG710 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 shred - your correct prices are what the market will bear. Right now if you can get primers for less than 10 cents per primer your doing good. At least here in "the People's Republic of New York." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmax606 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 On 2/9/2023 at 5:25 PM, ysrracer said: What a rip off ! When I first started shooting, they were $7 / K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 9 hours ago, Vmax606 said: What a rip off ! When I first started shooting, they were $7 / K. Then they invented electricity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, ysrracer said: Then they invented electricity? lolz. I remember paying less than a buck for a half liter of exquisite german beer at a restaurant. $3 for a case of half-liter bottles at the store. Now look at us? f***ing bullsh*t if you ask me...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, motosapiens said: lolz. I remember paying less than a buck for a half liter of exquisite german beer at a restaurant. $3 for a case of half-liter bottles at the store. Now look at us? f***ing bullsh*t if you ask me...... And my grandma Josephine used to go to the movies for a nickel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, motosapiens said: lolz. I remember paying less than a buck for a half liter of exquisite german beer at a restaurant. $3 for a case of half-liter bottles at the store. Now look at us? f***ing bullsh*t if you ask me...... For many reasons I am glad I never started smoking. A pack of cigarettes costs as much as a carton used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Amen brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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