2011 w/Glock Mags

[Dranoel]

I would think the bigger problem would be the Glock mags are designed to go in at a different angle due to the more angled Glock grips. So nothing is going to line up right for a 1911/2011 even if you a cartridge that fits and tune them to perfection.

[B_RAD]

On 11/26/2018 at 3:15 AM, xtian999 said:

Who wouldn’t love to have a 1911 type trigger and glock mags?

Glock mags suck!  

 

So does the cost of 2011 mags so,.....

[Rnlinebacker]

With enough time and money  practically anything is possible 
but the question is who’s going to put up the time and the money to see if it sells

uhhhhhhhhh nobody lol

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[geraldskip]

Kinda sounds like the Hudson H9....

Double stack 1911 with cheap mags....the H9 just added striker fired too to that last.

[Rnlinebacker]

Kinda sounds like the Hudson H9....

Double stack 1911 with cheap mags....the H9 just added striker fired too to that last.

you've solved this case of curiosity my friend! I agree the h9 is the dream gun this thread is looking for

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[mmlook]

13 hours ago, B_RAD said:

Glock mags suck!  

 

So does the cost of 2011 mags so,.....

 

Yup,

 

Glock mags are not the most reliable.

 

the reason glocks run is because all the tolerances are loose and they are over sprung.

 

Talk to anyone with an open Glock.

those things are not fun to get running well.

[xtian999]

So, the thread is about a 1911 and glock mags, not striker-fired. The idea is to pair a nice 1911 type trigger with a reliable, readily available magazine. The Hudson is striker fired, so it is out. Not everybody wants to pay 2-3K for a pistol and then $100 and up for each mag, even if they can afford it. 

 

 

Edited November 28, 2018 by xtian999
concise

[works for ammo]

Contact ETS or magpul and see if they have any interest in making plastic mags for the 2011. 

[rooster]

9 hours ago, works for ammo said:

Contact ETS or magpul and see if they have any interest in making plastic mags for the 2011. 

Wouldn’t that be the cats meow.  A 2011 mag that costs 20 bucks.

[teros135]

1 hour ago, rooster said:

Wouldn’t that be the cats meow.  A 2011 mag that costs 20 bucks.

 

Wouldn't that be a *Glock* mag that costs 20 bucks?  Plastic, thick walls, less capacity?

[IowaNewbie]

The other way to skin this cat, and I think someone alluded/said this already is to see if the Glock trigger could be made "similar" to a 2011. Maybe single action, short(er) reset, hammer instead of firing pin, 70s (no firing pin block), etc.

 

The glock action already does half (or more of) the work of cycling the slide, ejecting, rechambering the next round... the other part(s), to cock the hammer or firing pin, reset the sear or trigger bar, the trigger need not going that far forward, etc. needs to be engineered and executed. It may or may not have the trigger pull safety, it could be an "option" per taste, similarly the thumb and grip safety could also be an option, per shooter preference or sport.

 

While we're at it, maybe think about a fixed barrel/sights

 

The Laugo Alien seems like an interesting design, I want to see how that pans out.

Edited November 29, 2018 by IowaNewbie

[Gooldylocks]

  I think what you really want is for a company like Mecgar to make 2011 mags.  Can you imagine a $25 2011 mag that runs as reliably as the CZ 17 rounds mags?  They could have one developed in a week I bet.      

Been saying this for awhile now.

Mecgar 140s for 25ish and 170s for 35ish. Would fundamentally change the value proposition to the outside world (non-competitive shooters) for 2011s.

Currently, a fancy-gun timmy willing to throw down the cash is going to have some custom glock or M&P monstrosity. Costs the same as a 2011 but the mags are nearly free and reliable. If they could get a carry 2011 and then get reliable mags for a reasonable amount of money more people would do it.

[mmlook]

13 hours ago, Gooldylocks said:

 

Been saying this for awhile now.

Mecgar 140s for 25ish and 170s for 35ish. Would fundamentally change the value proposition to the outside world (non-competitive shooters) for 2011s.

Currently, a fancy-gun timmy willing to throw down the cash is going to have some custom glock or M&P monstrosity. Costs the same as a 2011 but the mags are nearly free and reliable. If they could get a carry 2011 and then get reliable mags for a reasonable amount of money more people would do it.

Why would you want a 140mm+ mag if it's not being used for competition?

Also, to have a fair comparison, glock competition mags are not the cheapest either, once you add TTI or TF base pads.
$25(mag) + $40(base pad) = $65 for a plastic mag 

if we are comparing factory mags,
I agree,
the 2011 platform would be more appealing if the mags were cheaper.
But 2011 mags are not the only ones that are expensive.
Look at CZ's, H&K's, 9mm 1911's

all those mags are well over $40

 

[Sarge]

35 minutes ago, mmlook said:

Why would you want a 140mm+ mag if it's not being used for competition?

Also, to have a fair comparison, glock competition mags are not the cheapest either, once you add TTI or TF base pads.
$25(mag) + $40(base pad) = $65 for a plastic mag 

if we are comparing factory mags,
I agree,
the 2011 platform would be more appealing if the mags were cheaper.
But 2011 mags are not the only ones that are expensive.
Look at CZ's, H&K's, 9mm 1911's

all those mags are well over $40

 

Well over $40 for a  mag in this game is not expensive. Just the way it is. 

[MemphisMechanic]

1 hour ago, mmlook said:

Why would you want a 140mm+ mag if it's not being used for competition?

 

Appendix carrying a Glock with a bunch of widgets and a Hyve or TTI extended basepad is the current fad in the tacticool Instagram world.

 

No. This post is not a joke.

 

Edited November 30, 2018 by MemphisMechanic

[xtian999]

There is definitely room for improvement in the way it is. 

[mmlook]

15 hours ago, MemphisMechanic said:

 

Appendix carrying a Glock with a bunch of widgets and a Hyve or TTI extended basepad is the current fad in the tacticool Instagram world.

 

No. This post is not a joke.

 

 

interesting, I will never understand the desire to point a loaded weapon at your crotch

[Brooke]

"I'd buy a 2011 if the mags were cheaper!"    Really?     So the gun you shoot is based on the price of mags? Certainly not everyone wants a 2011. I concur they are not cheap and you could question their value towards improving your game.   

 

 

[Gooldylocks]

"I'd buy a 2011 if the mags were cheaper!"    Really?     So the gun you shoot is based on the price of mags? Certainly not everyone wants a 2011. I concur they are not cheap and you could question their value towards improving your game.   
 
 

"I'd buy a 2011 if the mags were more reliable!"

Very valid reason to not shoot one.

[teros135]

32 minutes ago, Gooldylocks said:

"I'd buy a 2011 if the mags were more reliable!"

Very valid reason to not shoot one.

 

All you guys should just shoot Glocks.  Reliable & cheap gun and mags.  Why complain about 1911s?  Go Glock!

 

Edited December 1, 2018 by teros135

[Gooldylocks]

 
All you guys should just shoot Glocks.  Reliable & cheap gun and mags.  Why complain about 1911s?  Go Glock!
 

I am not complaining about them. People in the non-competitive community are. Having a 100% reliable solution for 2011s (which mecgar would be) could alleviate that complaint.

[teros135]

50 minutes ago, Gooldylocks said:

1 hour ago, teros135 said:

 
All you guys should just shoot Glocks.  Reliable & cheap gun and mags.  Why complain about 1911s?  Go Glock!
 

I am not complaining about them. People in the non-competitive community are. Having a 100% reliable solution for 2011s (which mecgar would be) could alleviate that complaint.

 

Sorry I wasn't clear.  I know you shoot 2011.  

 

Nothing's 100%, but most of the folks I know have MBX or tuned STI mags that work fine, so what is MecGar going to do differently?  Make a cheap, thinner-walled mag that's less reliable?  

[Gooldylocks]

 
Sorry I wasn't clear.  I know you shoot 2011.  
 
Nothing's 100%, but most of the folks I know have MBX or tuned STI mags that work fine, so what is MecGar going to do differently?  Make a cheap, thinner-walled mag that's less reliable?  

Have you ever messed with anything MecGar? They are perfect. If they weren't, they wouldn't provide the OEM magazines for tons of manufacturers.

And again, we in the USPSA/IPSC/IDPA/3G world might have figured out reliable tuned mags... but random-Instagram-hero Timmy doesn't. If he could buy a 100% reliable factory mag for the same price as an M&P or XD mag, it opens up the available options.

[Shadyscott999]

I can't remember exactly who it was,but a few years ago someone approached Megar about making 2011 mags.  The first mag off the line would cost over $250k and the market was far too small to make it a worthy investment.

[mmlook]

4 hours ago, teros135 said:

 

All you guys should just shoot Glocks.  Reliable & cheap gun and mags.  Why complain about 1911s?  Go Glock!

 

 

Glocks are not that reliable if you set them up like a 2011.

Try running an 11lb recoil spring, 10oz slide, and a fully supported chamber on a glock

Reliability will be the same as a 2011.
I personally tried this with an open glock, it would not feed/eject worth a dam, unless the ammo was perfect, and mags were tuned just right

If you setup a 2011 with a 14-15oz slide, 17-19lb recoil spring, and unsupported chamber with a huge ramp.
it'll feed everything as well.

The mags are only one part of the equation,
mags and ammo become the limiting factor in limited 2011's cause most people push the limit to gain accuracy, power factor, recoil impulse, etc...