RAP Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 For those interested I loaded and chronograph a couple loads using 135 grain BBI bullets. I didn't think to take any pictures of my groups, but the accuracy is very good. I loaded 3.6 and 3.7 grains. below are the results. Created: 08/04/17 05:40 PM Description: CZ P 09 135 BBI HITEK Notes 1: 3.6 grains Alliant Sport Pistol Notes 2: 1.120 COAL Win SPP Distance to Chrono(FT): 12.00 Ballistic Coefficient: 0.135 Bullet Weight(gr): 135.00 Temp: 78 °F BP: 28.14 inHg Altitude: 800.00 # FPS FT-LBS PF 10 990 293.85 133.65 9 982 289.12 132.57 8 992 295.03 133.92 7 995 296.82 134.32 6 993 295.63 134.05 5 982 289.12 132.57 4 991 294.44 133.79 3 989 293.25 133.51 2 992 295.03 133.92 1 982 289.12 132.57 Average: 988.8 FPS SD: 5.0 FPS Min: 982 FPS Max: 995 FPS Spread: 13 FPS Shot/sec: 0.5 True MV: 996 FPS Group Size (in): 0.00 Created: 08/04/17 05:38 PM Description: CZ P 09 135 BBI HITEK Notes 1: 3.7 grains Alliant Sport Pistol Notes 2: 1.120 COAL Win SPP Distance to Chrono(FT): 12.00 Ballistic Coefficient: 0.135 Bullet Weight(gr): 135.00 Temp: 79 °F BP: 28.14 inHg Altitude: 800.00 # FPS FT-LBS PF 10 1017 310.09 137.29 9 1019 311.31 137.57 8 1013 307.66 136.76 7 1018 310.70 137.43 6 1022 313.15 137.97 5 1008 304.63 136.08 4 1003 301.61 135.40 3 1024 314.38 138.24 2 1008 304.63 136.08 1 1003 301.61 135.40 Average: 1013.5 FPS SD: 7.6 FPS Min: 1003 FPS Max: 1024 FPS Spread: 21 FPS Shot/sec: 0.5 True MV: 1021 FPS Group Size (in): 0.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCTaylor Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Thanks for posting. That's stupid low es and sd. Also interesting to see it's still a pretty fast powder. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAP Posted August 7, 2017 Author Share Posted August 7, 2017 I forgot to mention. I shot a match over the weekend, about a 160 rounds. My pistol was as clean as VV N320 and cleaner than Prima V. Not that Prima V was all that dirty anyway. So far I'm very happy with this powder. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Thanks for posting up. I assume it felt like something in the neighborhood of N320 or P-V as far as recoil impulse, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAP Posted August 7, 2017 Author Share Posted August 7, 2017 Yes, it's impulse was very similar. I really couldn't tell the difference between them. Also, this powder meters very well. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R1_Demon Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Thanks for the info on this. I'm wondering how this powder would do in .40 major as that is what I'm reloading for. I agree with SCTaylor. That is some of the best SD and ES that I have seen posted with any powder. I hope someone tests this stuff in the .40 reloading forum or I might just have to go buy some and try it out and see how it goes. But thank you for the info. Much appreciated. Oh and I'm curious of the price compared to like Tightgroup or N320? Basing that Tightgroup is the lower end of the price range and N320 is the high end. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCTaylor Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 $19/lb and $130 per 8lbs for Sport Pistol and $17/lb and $128 per 8lbs for Titegroup, both from Powder Valley. Usage for Sport Pistol appears to be a little more per round but not much. In reality cost per charge in pistol powders is less than 1 penny. I wouldn't let powder cost be that large of a deciding factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAP Posted August 24, 2017 Author Share Posted August 24, 2017 R1, I am planning to load and test this powder for my 40. I am very interested to see how Sport Pistol will compare to my current load of WST. As soon as I have to test in the very near future (hoping next week) I will post my results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuckinMS Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Cool, can't wait to see your results. Thanks ahead for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R1_Demon Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 SC - I agree...for $2 more a pound, that is nothing really. I would definitely like to try it out for $19/pound. That, to me, is on the cheaper side of powders from what I have seen. So, as long as the powder worked well in 40, that would be well worth it to me. Much more than almost double that for N320. RAP - As Stuck said, thank you in advance for any info on 40 and Sport Pistol you can provide. I keep considering trying out N320, but every time I see the price tag, it gets stuck in my throat and I think, eeehhhh...is it really worth it? I know, I know...the powder is the cheapest part of the process and all that, but still. Just for some reason my brain sees the double price and it kills me. LOL! However, I really liked the info above regarding the 9mm, so I'm hoping that the 40 will produce similar results with Sport Pistol and, if so, and it is cleaner and not as hot as Tightgroup, then I'm all about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuckinMS Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 5 hours ago, R1_Demon said: SC - I agree...for $2 more a pound, that is nothing really. I would definitely like to try it out for $19/pound. That, to me, is on the cheaper side of powders from what I have seen. So, as long as the powder worked well in 40, that would be well worth it to me. Much more than almost double that for N320. RAP - As Stuck said, thank you in advance for any info on 40 and Sport Pistol you can provide. I keep considering trying out N320, but every time I see the price tag, it gets stuck in my throat and I think, eeehhhh...is it really worth it? I know, I know...the powder is the cheapest part of the process and all that, but still. Just for some reason my brain sees the double price and it kills me. LOL! However, I really liked the info above regarding the 9mm, so I'm hoping that the 40 will produce similar results with Sport Pistol and, if so, and it is cleaner and not as hot as Tightgroup, then I'm all about it. Amen to all of that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAP Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 Gentlemen, thank you! I will get some 40 data as quickly as possible. My plans are to have Sport Pistol tested in my 40 not later than next week. I will post the data in the 40/10mm section. Based on the 9mm data I am willing to bet it will be a very good, if not great powder for the 40. My plan is to test Sport Pistol with the 147 grain coated bullet as well. I have about a thousand on hand and I should test them as well. I went to WST because my LGS was out and did not know when they would have more. I friend told me about WST and when I tried it I just couldn't come up with one reason or find one data point to justify spending darned near twice the amount for a powder that had no better results (accuracy, cleanliness, consistency) than a cheaper powder. Like you R1, N320 is a very good powder, but the price was just hard to swallow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddc Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Hey RAP, very interested in seeing what you get out of your 147 coated test as I've got some Sport Pistol on the way. I'll be using Blue Bullets 147 coated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewski Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 15 hours ago, ddc said: Hey RAP, very interested in seeing what you get out of your 147 coated test as I've got some Sport Pistol on the way. I'll be using Blue Bullets 147 coated. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwbsig Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Range results for sport pistol powder and prima v. Got out this morning and shot some ten round groups thur the crono with my g-34 and sig p-320 full size. Cci-500 win. Brass sport pistol 3.3 grs acme 147 gr flat point 1.15 oal sig full size vel 877 Es 33 sd 10 Group 1.3" at 15 yards using rest for all cci-500 win brass prima v 3.2 grs acme 147 fp 1.13 oal sig full size vel 854 Es 14 sd 5 group 1.6" cci-500 win brass sport pistol 3.3 grs g-34 vel 905 Es 24 group 1.3" Brass came out of the gun looking about the same,couldn't tell if sport pistol was any cleaner then prima v. I shot some mags of prima v and sport pistol Bach to back and they both had about the same amount of smoke. But the sport pistol was more accurate then prima v and the sport pistol does meter better . I was having trouble with my glasses fogging up due the hot and humid conditions,the groups probably would have been better if it had been a little cooler outside and I had been shooting several groups staining my eyes. I do prefer sport pistol over prima v. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R1_Demon Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Cool. Thanks for the info Dwbsig. When I start loading 9, I'll probably be going with 147's so this is very helpful. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Got around to trying some in Tanfoglio Stock 3 Old load - 147 SNS RN Coated - 1.12 - 3.0 titegroup - range brass Chrono 898,909,907 New load - Identical except 3.2 sport pistol Chrono 908-906-916 Close enough Will check accuracy at a later time. Shooting impressions. Smoke - probably less with SP but with a slight cross wind today I could not tell enough difference for it to be meaningful Recoil - Both loads feel really good, maybe the TG felt a tiny little bit more snappy, my gun is heavy enough that it might hide any minor difference, I saw no advantage either way, could not tell any difference in brass ejection distance, if I had pristine brass instead of range brass I suspect that it would be easier to tell if their was an ejection difference due to the load Reloading Both powders meter well on my 1050. Seemed to need to be a bit smoother on the handle with the SP to keep a grain from coming out of the case likely due to a slightly higher case volume fill, not a big deal. Both were fine. Conclusion - Like both. If I find accuracy is as good or better with SP and that I notice it is cleaner then I will call it the winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwbsig Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 I chrono some 147gr acme f/p 1.130 with 3.2 grs sport pistol out of a shadow 2 this morning and got 880 fps with good accuracy. Been shooting 3.3grs but I think I like the 3.2 gr load better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAP Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 This is my load for my home cast 147 grain FP NLG Hi TEK coated bullets. This is using mixed range brass. For accuracy I could easily hit a 1" paster at 10 yards off hand consistently. I need to test accuracy at 25 yards when I get a chance. Created: 08/04/18 10:12 AMDescription: CZ P09Notes 1: 147 Robs Cast BulletsNotes 2: 3.2 Sport PistolDistance to Chrono(FT): 12.00Ballistic Coefficient: 0.165Bullet Weight(gr): 147.00Temp: 59 °FBP: 28.14 inHgAltitude: 800.00# FPS FT-LBS PF8 903 266.20 132.74 7 916 273.92 134.65 6 911 270.94 133.92 5 897 262.67 131.86 4 887 256.85 130.39 3 908 269.16 133.48 2 910 270.34 133.77 1 906 267.97 133.18 Average: 904.8 FPSSD: 9.1 FPSMin: 887 FPSMax: 916 FPSSpread: 29 FPSShot/sec: 0.4True MV: 910 FPSGroup Size (in): 0.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BentAero Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 On 8/22/2018 at 9:00 PM, RAP said: This is my load for my home cast 147 grain FP NLG Hi TEK coated bullets. This is using mixed range brass. For accuracy I could easily hit a 1" paster at 10 yards off hand consistently. I need to test accuracy at 25 yards when I get a chance. Created: 08/04/18 10:12 AMDescription: CZ P09Notes 1: 147 Robs Cast BulletsNotes 2: 3.2 Sport PistolDistance to Chrono(FT): 12.00Ballistic Coefficient: 0.165Bullet Weight(gr): 147.00Temp: 59 °FBP: 28.14 inHgAltitude: 800.00# FPS FT-LBS PF8 903 266.20 132.74 7 916 273.92 134.65 6 911 270.94 133.92 5 897 262.67 131.86 4 887 256.85 130.39 3 908 269.16 133.48 2 910 270.34 133.77 1 906 267.97 133.18 Average: 904.8 FPSSD: 9.1 FPSMin: 887 FPSMax: 916 FPSSpread: 29 FPSShot/sec: 0.4True MV: 910 FPSGroup Size (in): 0.00 Have you tried a test at 3.1 gr? If so, I'm curious if 1) PF dropped considerably. 2) Group started getting bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAP Posted August 25, 2018 Author Share Posted August 25, 2018 Have you tried a test at 3.1 gr? If so, I'm curious if 1) PF dropped considerably. 2) Group started getting bigger.I did try 3.1 grains. My PF was in the danger zone of 125-128. I like to have some margin of safety for my PF. This was shot across a friends chronograph so I don’t have the saved data. As far as accuracy I didn’t notice any significant difference, but I wasn’t testing for accuracy at this time. My focus was PF, felt recoil and reliability. I can say recoil felt very soft. I wanna try 3.15 grains. I think that could very well be the sweet spot for my P09. I am planning to test this load with my chronograph and shoot groups at distance with a rest in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityShooter Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I can add two more loads to this list: S&W M&P 2.0 5" 125 gr Blue Bullet coated RN 4.0 gr Sport Pistol 1.148" COAL Magnetospeed V3 so distance from muzzle was about 4" Average velocity: 1066 fps PF: 132 Ruger PC Carbine 16" Same load data Average velocity: 1191 PF: 148 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of Ammo Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Here's my data on for the Alliant Sport Pistol powder: SA XDM 5.25 9mm 125 gr SNS coated RNLG 3.9 gr Sport Pistol 1.135" COAL Avg. Velocity 1051.9 fps PF: 131.49 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Has anyone tried it in their PCC? I'm also curious to see their load for 124gr bullets. Lastly, how's the felt recoil compared to Titegroup? I'm a creature of habit. When I find something I like, I stick with it. I've been loading Titegroup for a long time and I still have over 8lbs remaining, but I've heard good things about this powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityShooter Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) See my post above for an ASP load shot in my Ruger PC Carbine. As far as recoil goes, I saw no difference compared to Titegroup except the velocity was slightly lower for the same powder weight. Edited August 27, 2018 by SteelCityShooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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