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For those interested I loaded and chronograph a couple loads using 135 grain BBI bullets. I didn't think to take any pictures of my groups, but the accuracy is very good. I loaded 3.6 and 3.7 grains. below are the results. 

 

Created: 08/04/17 05:40 PM
Description: CZ P 09 135 BBI HITEK 
Notes 1: 3.6 grains Alliant Sport Pistol
Notes 2: 1.120 COAL Win SPP
Distance to Chrono(FT): 12.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.135
Bullet Weight(gr): 135.00
Temp: 78 °F
BP: 28.14 inHg
Altitude: 800.00
#          FPS  FT-LBS      PF
10    990      293.85  133.65  
9    982      289.12  132.57  
8    992      295.03  133.92  
7    995      296.82  134.32  
6    993      295.63  134.05  
5    982      289.12  132.57  
4    991      294.44  133.79  
3    989      293.25  133.51  
2    992      295.03  133.92  
1    982      289.12  132.57  
Average: 988.8 FPS
SD: 5.0 FPS
Min: 982 FPS
Max: 995 FPS
Spread: 13 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.5
True MV: 996 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

 

Created: 08/04/17 05:38 PM
Description: CZ P 09 135 BBI HITEK 
Notes 1: 3.7 grains Alliant Sport Pistol
Notes 2: 1.120 COAL Win SPP
Distance to Chrono(FT): 12.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.135
Bullet Weight(gr): 135.00
Temp: 79 °F
BP: 28.14 inHg
Altitude: 800.00
#          FPS  FT-LBS      PF
10    1017    310.09  137.29  
9    1019    311.31  137.57  
8    1013    307.66  136.76  
7    1018    310.70  137.43  
6    1022    313.15  137.97  
5    1008    304.63  136.08  
4    1003    301.61  135.40  
3    1024    314.38  138.24  
2    1008    304.63  136.08  
1    1003    301.61  135.40  
Average: 1013.5 FPS
SD: 7.6 FPS
Min: 1003 FPS
Max: 1024 FPS
Spread: 21 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.5
True MV: 1021 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
 

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Thanks for posting. That's stupid low es and sd. Also interesting to see it's still a pretty fast powder.


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I forgot to mention. I shot a match over the weekend, about a 160 rounds. My pistol was as clean as VV N320 and cleaner than Prima V. Not that Prima V was all that dirty anyway. So far I'm very happy with this powder.


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Yes, it's impulse was very similar. I really couldn't tell the difference between them. Also, this powder meters very well.


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Thanks for the info on this.  I'm wondering how this powder would do in .40 major as that is what I'm reloading for.  I agree with SCTaylor.  That is some of the best SD and ES that I have seen posted with any powder.  I hope someone tests this stuff in the .40 reloading forum or I might just have to go buy some and try it out and see how it goes. :)  But thank you for the info.  Much appreciated. :)   Oh and I'm curious of the price compared to like Tightgroup or N320?  Basing that Tightgroup is the lower end of the price range and N320 is the high end.  LOL 

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$19/lb and $130 per 8lbs for Sport Pistol and $17/lb and $128 per 8lbs for Titegroup, both from Powder Valley.  Usage for Sport Pistol appears to be a little more per round but not much.

 

In reality cost per charge in pistol powders is less than 1 penny. I wouldn't let powder cost be that large of a deciding factor.

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R1, I am planning to load and test this powder for my 40. I am very interested to see how Sport Pistol will compare to my current load of WST. As soon as I have to test in the very near future (hoping next week) I will post my results. 

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SC - I agree...for $2 more a pound, that is nothing really.  I would definitely like to try it out for $19/pound.  That, to me, is on the cheaper side of powders from what I have seen.  So, as long as the powder worked well in 40, that would be well worth it to me.  Much more than almost double that for N320. :) 

 

RAP - As Stuck said, thank you in advance for any info on 40 and Sport Pistol you can provide.  I keep considering trying out N320, but every time I see the price tag, it gets stuck in my throat and I think, eeehhhh...is it really worth it?  I know, I know...the powder is the cheapest part of the process and all that, but still.  Just for some reason my brain sees the double price and it kills me.  LOL!  However, I really liked the info above regarding the 9mm, so I'm hoping that the 40 will produce similar results with Sport Pistol and, if so, and it is cleaner and not as hot as Tightgroup, then I'm all about it. :) 

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5 hours ago, R1_Demon said:

SC - I agree...for $2 more a pound, that is nothing really.  I would definitely like to try it out for $19/pound.  That, to me, is on the cheaper side of powders from what I have seen.  So, as long as the powder worked well in 40, that would be well worth it to me.  Much more than almost double that for N320. :) 

 

RAP - As Stuck said, thank you in advance for any info on 40 and Sport Pistol you can provide.  I keep considering trying out N320, but every time I see the price tag, it gets stuck in my throat and I think, eeehhhh...is it really worth it?  I know, I know...the powder is the cheapest part of the process and all that, but still.  Just for some reason my brain sees the double price and it kills me.  LOL!  However, I really liked the info above regarding the 9mm, so I'm hoping that the 40 will produce similar results with Sport Pistol and, if so, and it is cleaner and not as hot as Tightgroup, then I'm all about it. :) 

Amen to all of that!

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Gentlemen, thank you! I will get some 40 data as quickly as possible. My plans are to have Sport Pistol tested in my 40 not later than next week. I will post the data in the 40/10mm section. Based on the 9mm data I am willing to bet it will be a very good, if not great powder for the 40. My plan is to test Sport Pistol with the 147 grain coated bullet as well. I have about a thousand on hand and I should test them as well. 

 

I went to WST because my LGS was out and did not know when they would have more. I friend told me about WST and when I tried it I just couldn't come up with one reason or find one data point to justify spending darned near twice the amount for a powder that had no better results (accuracy, cleanliness, consistency) than a cheaper powder. Like you R1, N320 is a very good powder, but the price was just hard to swallow.   

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Hey RAP, very interested in seeing what you get out of your 147 coated test as I've got some Sport Pistol on the way. I'll be using Blue Bullets 147 coated.

 

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15 hours ago, ddc said:

Hey RAP, very interested in seeing what you get out of your 147 coated test as I've got some Sport Pistol on the way. I'll be using Blue Bullets 147 coated.

 

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Range results for sport pistol powder and prima v. Got out this morning and shot some ten round groups thur the crono with my g-34 and sig p-320 full size. 

Cci-500  win. Brass

sport pistol 3.3 grs

acme 147 gr flat point 1.15 oal

sig full size

vel 877  Es 33  sd 10 Group 1.3" at 15 yards using rest for all 

 

cci-500 win brass

prima v 3.2 grs

acme 147 fp 1.13 oal

sig full size 

vel 854  Es 14  sd 5  group 1.6"

 

cci-500 win brass

sport pistol 3.3 grs

g-34

vel 905 Es 24  group 1.3"

 

Brass came out of the gun looking about the same,couldn't tell if sport pistol was any cleaner then prima v. I shot some mags of prima v and sport pistol Bach to back and they both had about the same amount of smoke. But the sport pistol was more accurate then prima v and the sport pistol does meter better . I was having trouble with my glasses fogging up due the hot and humid conditions,the groups probably would have been better if it had been a little cooler outside and I had been shooting several groups staining my eyes. I do prefer sport pistol over prima v.

 

 

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Cool. Thanks for the info Dwbsig. When I start loading 9, I'll probably be going with 147's so this is very helpful. Thank you. 

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Got around to trying some in Tanfoglio Stock 3

 

Old load - 147 SNS RN Coated - 1.12 - 3.0 titegroup - range brass

Chrono 898,909,907

 

New load - Identical except 3.2 sport pistol

Chrono 908-906-916

 

Close enough

 

Will check accuracy at a later time.

 

Shooting impressions. 

Smoke - probably less with SP but with a slight cross wind today I could not tell enough difference for it to be meaningful

Recoil - Both loads feel really good, maybe the TG felt a tiny little bit more snappy, my gun is heavy enough that it might hide any minor difference, I saw no advantage either way, could not tell any difference in brass ejection distance, if I had pristine brass instead of range brass I suspect that it would be easier to tell if their was an ejection difference due to the load

 

Reloading 

Both powders meter well on my 1050. Seemed to need to be a bit smoother on the handle with the SP to keep a grain from coming out of the case likely due to a slightly higher case volume fill, not a big deal. Both were fine.

 

Conclusion - Like both. If I find accuracy is as good or better with SP and that I notice it is cleaner then I will call it the winner. 

 

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I chrono some 147gr acme f/p 1.130 with 3.2 grs sport pistol out of a shadow 2 this morning and got 880 fps with good accuracy. Been shooting 3.3grs but I think I like the 3.2 gr load better.

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This is my load for my home cast 147 grain FP NLG Hi TEK coated bullets. This is using mixed range brass. For accuracy I could easily hit a 1" paster at 10 yards off hand consistently. I need to test accuracy at 25 yards when I get a chance. 

 

Created: 08/04/18 10:12 AM
Description: CZ P09
Notes 1: 147 Robs Cast Bullets
Notes 2: 3.2 Sport Pistol
Distance to Chrono(FT): 12.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.165
Bullet Weight(gr): 147.00
Temp: 59 °F
BP: 28.14 inHg
Altitude: 800.00
#   FPS       FT-LBS        PF
8    903      266.20     132.74  
7    916      273.92     134.65  
6    911      270.94     133.92  
5    897      262.67     131.86  
4    887      256.85     130.39  
3    908      269.16     133.48  
2    910      270.34     133.77  
1    906      267.97     133.18  
Average: 904.8 FPS
SD: 9.1 FPS
Min: 887 FPS
Max: 916 FPS
Spread: 29 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.4
True MV: 910 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

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On 8/22/2018 at 9:00 PM, RAP said:

This is my load for my home cast 147 grain FP NLG Hi TEK coated bullets. This is using mixed range brass. For accuracy I could easily hit a 1" paster at 10 yards off hand consistently. I need to test accuracy at 25 yards when I get a chance. 

 

Created: 08/04/18 10:12 AM
Description: CZ P09
Notes 1: 147 Robs Cast Bullets
Notes 2: 3.2 Sport Pistol
Distance to Chrono(FT): 12.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.165
Bullet Weight(gr): 147.00
Temp: 59 °F
BP: 28.14 inHg
Altitude: 800.00
#   FPS       FT-LBS        PF
8    903      266.20     132.74  
7    916      273.92     134.65  
6    911      270.94     133.92  
5    897      262.67     131.86  
4    887      256.85     130.39  
3    908      269.16     133.48  
2    910      270.34     133.77  
1    906      267.97     133.18  
Average: 904.8 FPS
SD: 9.1 FPS
Min: 887 FPS
Max: 916 FPS
Spread: 29 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.4
True MV: 910 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

Have you tried a test at 3.1 gr?

If so, I'm curious if

1) PF dropped considerably. 

2) Group started getting bigger.

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Have you tried a test at 3.1 gr?
If so, I'm curious if
1) PF dropped considerably. 
2) Group started getting bigger.


I did try 3.1 grains. My PF was in the danger zone of 125-128. I like to have some margin of safety for my PF. This was shot across a friends chronograph so I don’t have the saved data.

As far as accuracy I didn’t notice any significant difference, but I wasn’t testing for accuracy at this time. My focus was PF, felt recoil and reliability. I can say recoil felt very soft. I wanna try 3.15 grains. I think that could very well be the sweet spot for my P09. I am planning to test this load with my chronograph and shoot groups at distance with a rest in the near future.

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I can add two more loads to this list:

 

S&W M&P 2.0 5"

125 gr Blue Bullet coated RN

4.0 gr Sport Pistol

1.148" COAL

Magnetospeed  V3 so distance from muzzle  was about 4"

 

Average velocity: 1066 fps

PF:                          132

 

Ruger PC Carbine 16"

Same load data

 

Average velocity: 1191

PF:                           148

 

 

 

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Here's my data on for the Alliant Sport Pistol powder:

 

SA XDM 5.25 9mm

125 gr SNS coated RNLG

3.9 gr Sport Pistol

1.135"  COAL

 

Avg. Velocity 1051.9 fps

PF:    131.49

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Has anyone tried it in their PCC?  I'm also curious to see their load for 124gr bullets.  Lastly, how's the felt recoil compared to Titegroup?  I'm a creature of habit.  When I find something I like, I stick with it.  I've been loading Titegroup for a long time and I still have over 8lbs remaining, but I've heard good things about this powder.

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See my post above for an ASP load shot in  my Ruger PC Carbine.    As far as recoil goes, I saw no difference compared to Titegroup except the velocity was slightly lower for the same powder weight.

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