mikeg1005 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Ktm, moto, Should you get DQed for picking up your own unloaded gun when you drop it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm300 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 (edited) Ktm, moto, Should you get DQed for picking up your own unloaded gun when you drop it? Yep, you dropped it so you already are suspect. Let someone else pick it up and clear it. It is either that or DQ you for dropping it in the first place. (edit) Edited March 7, 2016 by ktm300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeg1005 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Suspect for what lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeg1005 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 So an RO can pick it up so it's following some kind of protocol/someone who can make sure it's picked up safely, right? Should an RO be able to pick his own gun up then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2MoreChains Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 I would say once the RO's gun is involved (be it shooting a stage or looking at it laying on the ground) then the "RO" is no longer an "RO" at that point in time. Get thee another RO to RO you while yer shooting or needing it picked up off the ground. As to the other matter, you mean that convenient bucket in the PP is not a gun/purse holder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DagoRed Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 I think maybe the port potty when a girl is in it should be considered like a foreign embassy, it's there but completely sovereign territory of which I want no knowledge. that said...I don't care how far it is I would never take a chance on my gun going down the hole of a porta potty because there's no way in hell I'd ever want it back. When I hit the head I make sure it's tightly in the holster and I use the urinal on the side so my hip is never over the hell-hole. Of course I'm a big guy so logistics of any type of clothing manipulation in a porta potty don't work in my mind, maybe somebody half my size has all the room they need to debelt, (then what, there's no where to hang it, set it on the floor ) and do my business. Best option is tell the RO (aren't there really two ROs? one running and one scoring, wouldn't both be able to clear you and let you bag it? at the line) and bag the gun then go to the head. Nice and comfy Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeg1005 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 So we don't trust the RO for following safety rules. Some of these rule are very ironic for a sport that you get to literally run around and shoot a loaded gun in.. 180, AD, finger, or sweeping yourself with a loaded gun has the same consequences as unlocking a Tech-Lok holster from your belt with the gun still in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadyscott999 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Maybe each porta crapper should be designated a "Safe Area" going forward. That or we could attach a shelf to the outside for people to "safe" their gun befoe dropping their pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Maybe each porta crapper should be designated a "Safe Area" going forward. That or we could attach a shelf to the outside for people to "safe" their gun befoe dropping their pants. That wouldn't be a bad plan (the safe table just outside). I know at 2 of the clubs I shoot at the nearest blue room is probably 100 yards away from the safety table, which can be more than a bit annoying at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 So we don't trust the RO for following safety rules. In this case it is not following a safety rule, since I don't think anyone believes that the lady did anything unsafe (millions of times each day people who carry loaded weapons take a crap without incident). It would be a great no call for an r.o. and a nice opportunity for the rules committee to fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Ktm, moto, Should you get DQed for picking up your own unloaded gun when you drop it? you should get a kick in the nuts if you drop your gun. I have only ever dropped a gun once, luckily it was in between periods at a pro hockey game and it was loaded. (iwb holster popped off when i adjusted my shirt). I had to hand my beer to a buddy and quickly disappear into the bathroom to fix it. Now I don't carry without a proper belt. I probably should have been dq'd from the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadyscott999 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 I dropped my gun once. My holster self destructed while resetting a stage and fell of my belt with the gun still in it. Was is it a dropped gun or a holstered gun? Hmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkreutz Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) Rule judgements can't be made on assumptions. For me, if I didn't see it, it didn't happen. What about a situation where one of the shooters comes up to you (the RO) and tells you that he saw someone unholster his pistol outside of the safe area, are you going to DQ him? I might talk to that person but I wouldn't DQ them because I didn't see it. Edited March 8, 2016 by Bkreutz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtturn Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 This thread's opening question is creepy as hell. I would not allow my daughters to be alone with an RO/MD who follows them around the porty-potty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 I dropped my gun once. My holster self destructed while resetting a stage and fell of my belt with the gun still in it. Was is it a dropped gun or a holstered gun? Hmmmmmmm i believe that is a dropped gun and you will need RO supervision to retrieve it and get dressed again. My reasoning is that since intentionally removing your belt/holster with the gun in it is considered 'handling a gun', with the resultant DQ, inadvertently removing your belt/holster with gun (wardrobe failure) is the same as the gun being knocked out of the holster outside the COF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac4wordplay Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Rule judgements can't be made on assumptions. For me, if I didn't see it, it didn't happen. What about a situation where one of the shooters comes up to you (the RO) and tells you that he saw someone unholster his pistol outside of the safe area, are you going to DQ him? I might talk to that person but I wouldn't DQ them because I didn't see it. Remove the assumption and explore: If the "someone" (in the above situation) admits to you (the RO) that yes, they did indeed unholster outside the safe area (as reported by the "shooter") - what do you (as an RO) do then? Although you (the RO) didn't see the action, everyone agrees that it occurred and it's uncontested. What do you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkreutz Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Rule judgements can't be made on assumptions. For me, if I didn't see it, it didn't happen. What about a situation where one of the shooters comes up to you (the RO) and tells you that he saw someone unholster his pistol outside of the safe area, are you going to DQ him? I might talk to that person but I wouldn't DQ them because I didn't see it. Remove the assumption and explore: If the "someone" (in the above situation) admits to you (the RO) that yes, they did indeed unholster outside the safe area (as reported by the "shooter") - what do you (as an RO) do then? Although you (the RO) didn't see the action, everyone agrees that it occurred and it's uncontested. What do you do? Turn it over to the MD. I still didn't see it and I'm not a judge making a decision based on statements. If the shooter was honest enough to admit it, I would expect he would be the type that would DQ themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNshooter Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 I dry fire when I'm in the Porta shiter. Especially if there is a strong hand and weak hand stage coming up. Also it's a great place to practice reloads since you can't have Ammo and mags in the safe areaBest. 10/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 You guys have too much time on your hands. But in case anyone was interested, I piss in nearby shrubbery, I only use the porta-pooper to practice my flip and catch without the fudds getting angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradsteimel Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 I'll refrain from commenting on this one, but will say, "it is def one of the more entertaining post in the rules forum." Okay, I can't help it... What if she were wearing gym short or a bikini to shoot the match? Without the PP cam, you def couldn't prove an infraction. Hahaha. ROFL. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unibrain Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Maybe each porta crapper should be designated a "Safe Area" going forward. That or we could attach a shelf to the outside for people to "safe" their gun befoe dropping their pants. They had safe tables near the time capsules at Prod Nationals last year. Great idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) As usual we're making this too hard. Anybody (male or female) who feels they may have a need to go to the john at frequent or inopportune times can carry a gun bag or sleeve. Let the RO know, get bagged, go do your thing, unbag & reholster afterwards. No biggie. Responsible, straightforward, easy. Edited March 8, 2016 by teros135 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeg1005 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Rule judgements can't be made on assumptions. For me, if I didn't see it, it didn't happen. What about a situation where one of the shooters comes up to you (the RO) and tells you that he saw someone unholster his pistol outside of the safe area, are you going to DQ him? I might talk to that person but I wouldn't DQ them because I didn't see it. There's only ONE type of person that does this, and that's a total noob that didn't have the instructions explain to them well. I'd have a hard time DQing a guy for that. On the other hand... I'd likely never squad with the person that tattled on a guy like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeg1005 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 The imaginary safety of the "safe area" always makes me laugh... especially since I'd say 1/2 the ones I've seen are placed in such a position where you'd be sweeping people if you turned your gun 45* in either direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airedale Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 This is why I shoot 3 Gun and very rarely shoot USPSA anymore. Folks hoping to DQ someone not on what was observed but what is speculated. It sucks the life out of this sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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