Bill Nesbitt Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 (edited) I haven't shot IDPA for a while and let my membership lapse. I was a 5 gun M at one point. Got my first match bump in SSP at the 1999 (I think) Nationals and then got ESP, CDP, SSR and ESR shooting the old 90 round classifier. I might have gotten CCP but I don't remember for sure. Highest I got in USPSA was A Class in a couple divisions. Edited April 7, 2023 by Bill Nesbitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_J Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 I just shot my first IDPA match Sunday and shot the classifier after. PCC - MA Also a USPSA PCC GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted April 7, 2023 Author Share Posted April 7, 2023 11 hours ago, Dirty_J said: I just shot my first IDPA match Sunday and shot the classifier after. PCC - MA Also a USPSA PCC GM. Very nice!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racknrider Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 ESP MA via match bump. I've never shot a MA score in the long classifier but can in the 5x5. Was B class in USPSA Limited, C class in SS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee loo Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 IDPA MA in Bug, SSP, CCP by classifier, and CO by bump. Started IDPA first, now shoot both, mainly CO. B Class in Production and CO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 (edited) IDPA Master is becoming a extremely wide talent pool. Maybe that's the way to word it. Example there was a local level 2 over the weekend. The guy that won it (USPSA A Class) I expected to win, he's in contention to win most IDPA matches in the area. 2nd place MA shot 61% of his score and was about 75 seconds behind. On top of that one EX got bumped to MA he was about 87 seconds back and is now Master too. I know USPSA shooters from C class to GM that are all Masters in IDPA. Edited April 18, 2023 by Racinready300ex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddc Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 8 hours ago, Racinready300ex said: IDPA Master is becoming a extremely wide talent pool. Maybe that's the way to word it. Example there was a local level 2 over the weekend. The guy that won it (USPSA A Class) I expected to win, he's in contention to win most IDPA matches in the area. 2nd place MA shot 61% of his score and was about 75 seconds behind. On top of that one EX got bumped to MA he was about 87 seconds back and is now Master too. I know USPSA shooters from C class to GM that are all Masters in IDPA. I think IDPA's "Match Performance Promotion" rules (M-18.7) are ludicrous. They make a mockery of the concept. Let's say the following highly unlikely scenario takes place: You decide to run the exact same match two days in a row. Following the first match the EX winner is promoted to Master. The following day the shooter who was second EX the day before by about 20 seconds is the EX class winner. Now he also gets promoted to Master. Even if everything else about the second match was exactly the same as the first. Maybe I'm missing something about how match promotion works... I sure hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 1 hour ago, ddc said: I think IDPA's "Match Performance Promotion" rules (M-18.7) are ludicrous. They make a mockery of the concept. Let's say the following highly unlikely scenario takes place: You decide to run the exact same match two days in a row. Following the first match the EX winner is promoted to Master. The following day the shooter who was second EX the day before by about 20 seconds is the EX class winner. Now he also gets promoted to Master. Even if everything else about the second match was exactly the same as the first. Maybe I'm missing something about how match promotion works... I sure hope so. most idpa rules are ludicrous. the only thing more ludicrous is the complete lack of uniformity on those rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 18 hours ago, ddc said: I think IDPA's "Match Performance Promotion" rules (M-18.7) are ludicrous. They make a mockery of the concept. Let's say the following highly unlikely scenario takes place: You decide to run the exact same match two days in a row. Following the first match the EX winner is promoted to Master. The following day the shooter who was second EX the day before by about 20 seconds is the EX class winner. Now he also gets promoted to Master. Even if everything else about the second match was exactly the same as the first. Maybe I'm missing something about how match promotion works... I sure hope so. Really it's worse that that in a popular division like CO. It's not crazy to have 20 EX's in a match, that'll will mean 4th EX will probably getting bumped to MA. You could have 4 or 5 SS's get bumped to EX at the same match. So in your example of back to back matches, the 2nd match could see the 8th place EX (from the 1st match) getting bumped to Master. In this area there are a lot of majors, so we are manufacturing Masters to the point the classification system is kind of broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddc Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Racinready300ex said: Really it's worse that that in a popular division like CO. It's not crazy to have 20 EX's in a match, that'll will mean 4th EX will probably getting bumped to MA. You could have 4 or 5 SS's get bumped to EX at the same match. So in your example of back to back matches, the 2nd match could see the 8th place EX (from the 1st match) getting bumped to Master. In this area there are a lot of majors, so we are manufacturing Masters to the point the classification system is kind of broken. Very broken. As you point out if you had a set population that continuously shot majors after a while everybody would be a Master even if their individual skill level declined during that period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GmanCdp Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 2006-SSP/ESP Master from match bumps using stock Glock 34. stayed in CDP as an Expert to keep CDP Masters on their toes for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbethue Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Been a PCC Master since the first year is was an official division, just made Master CO via match bump at the RMR last weekend. Pretty much a mid to high B across the board in USPSA (Open, CO, PCC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddc Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 4 hours ago, dwbethue said: Been a PCC Master since the first year is was an official division, just made Master CO via match bump at the RMR last weekend. Pretty much a mid to high B across the board in USPSA (Open, CO, PCC). I can see that, high B roughly equal IDPA MA... I used to think that a USPSA A was more or less equivalent to an IDPA MA. I still think that is roughly where it's at from a raw technical skills perspective but the IDPA match bump system distorts the relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbethue Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) 23 hours ago, ddc said: I can see that, high B roughly equal IDPA MA... I used to think that a USPSA A was more or less equivalent to an IDPA MA. I still think that is roughly where it's at from a raw technical skills perspective but the IDPA match bump system distorts the relationship. I think high B to A is probably a decent equivalent for "most" IDPA Masters. I feel like IDPA really needs to break Master into 2 or 3 categories by itself. It feels like the disparity between lower Master and higher Master is a much bigger gap than low A to high A, or low M to high M/low GM to high GM. It feels like IDPA Master is relatively easy to get into (respectfully) because of the match bump, which has gotten less overpowered in the new rulebooks, because the bar for entry is comparatively low. Once you're in there the range of talent within Master is CRAZY. Like I'm not competing with Nils and BJ Norris and Seeklander lololol. In fact, I'm shooting like 65%-75% of them at majors on a good day. ~30% disparity from the very top to the relative entry of the highest "normal" classification seems like a huge disparity. Edited June 4, 2023 by dwbethue Clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoholeth Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 IDPA: "Master" in Revo with a JM625, Expert in other divisions. USPSA: ""B" in CO is highest, "C" in other divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickDoyle Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Idpa- ccp dm...all others master. Uspsa - GM production- L10 - limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted October 17, 2023 Author Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 hours ago, PatrickDoyle said: Idpa- ccp dm...all others master. Uspsa - GM production- L10 - limited. Very salty!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goady Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 I am master in Rev, PCC, and BUG. EX in everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted December 20, 2023 Author Share Posted December 20, 2023 10 hours ago, Goady said: I am master in Rev, PCC, and BUG. EX in everything else. GEEZ, You made it in two hard ones and an easy one, Keep going!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpm2953 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 On 3/19/2023 at 10:41 PM, jpm2953 said: Master CO, PCC and ESP for IDPA Master in CO and PCC for USPSA Update: Made MA in SSP and CCP this year both with match bumps. made Master in Production USPSA this year as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I was A-class in USPSA, 2.3 percentage points away from Master, and lookin' forward to gettin' the M, then I lost interest in USPSA. Eventually I would get the M, but it was in IDPA Stock Service Pistol, on the original 90-round classifier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpYoursPal Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 I made MA in CO last November from a match bump. Currently working on CCP. Hopefully get it some time in the next few months. I'm A in USPSA CO, and M in limited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 4/19/2023 at 2:18 PM, Racinready300ex said: Really it's worse that that in a popular division like CO. It's not crazy to have 20 EX's in a match, that'll will mean 4th EX will probably getting bumped to MA. You could have 4 or 5 SS's get bumped to EX at the same match. So in your example of back to back matches, the 2nd match could see the 8th place EX (from the 1st match) getting bumped to Master. In this area there are a lot of majors, so we are manufacturing Masters to the point the classification system is kind of broken. There were 43 CO Experts at FL State this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 16 minutes ago, waktasz said: There were 43 CO Experts at FL State this weekend. So that's like 8 bumps to master or more depending how many MA's get beaten too. 9th Ex was 42nd in CO and beat 47 MA and EX combined. So he should get a bump to MA. So 9 new Masters in one match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Just looked again, there were 43 Masters too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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