TheGoatMumbler Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) I just opened a new box of 147gn RN 9mm bullets and noticed a profile change. The new profile is longer & sleeker vs the shorter more rounded projectiles. The new profile is at the top of this pic. I had to change my Dillon seating die which was no biggie. But I started getting a pronounced dented ring in the nose of the finished round. Anybody seen this and does anyone have a solution? Dillon suggested filling the hole on the die with wax which I knew wouldn't work and didn't. I'm not happy either that BB didn't bother to notify customers with these on back order that they changed the profile. Edited November 2, 2021 by TheGoatMumbler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuz Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, TheGoatMumbler said: I just opened a new box of 147gn RN 9mm bullets and noticed a profile change. The new profile is longer & sleeker vs the shorter more rounded projectiles. The new profile is at the top of this pic. I had to change my Dillon seating die which was no biggie. But I started getting a pronounced dented ring in the nose of the finished round. Anybody seen this and does anyone have a solution? Dillon suggested filling the hole on the die with wax which I knew wouldn't work and didn't. That looks odd, are the new bullets softer than the old style? You must be using the round nose side of the seating die right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_J Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 That new coating sure doesn’t look as nice as that older bullet there. Guess that’s how they got the lead times down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoatMumbler Posted November 2, 2021 Author Share Posted November 2, 2021 I doubt they are softer. But the new more pointed end goes up into the hole of the die thus the ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSHMJ Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) I had that same issue with Dillon seating dies with blues and other bullets. Changed the seating die and problems solved. Blues changed their profile a while back also. I asked the same question of profile change back in August. Edited November 3, 2021 by NOSHMJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOGRIDER Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, TheGoatMumbler said: I just opened a new box of 147gn RN 9mm bullets and noticed a profile change. The new profile is longer & sleeker vs the shorter more rounded projectiles. The new profile is at the top of this pic. I had to change my Dillon seating die which was no biggie. But I started getting a pronounced dented ring in the nose of the finished round. Anybody seen this and does anyone have a solution? Dillon suggested filling the hole on the die with wax which I knew wouldn't work and didn't. I'm not happy either that BB didn't bother to notify customers with these on back order that they changed the profile. Back in May after acquiring my first CZ (S2O), I contacted Blue about the availability of their latest 147g offering. CSR told me orders were way behind; but they could round me up a sample pack of their RN and FP profiles. And would I report back on my max OALs for the Orange: Quote What I am looking for is Max OAL for your Shadow for both bullets. That's really about it. It used to be around 1.090" on the old profile. What I found for my barrel was max OAL for the RN was 1.125" while the FP would go 1.136". My normal loading of either would be to reduce those maxes by .015". Not really caring for the profile of their new RN, I chose to start testing the 147g FP at 1.120" and had great results with zero functioning issues. I also chose to test the .356" version! BTW: I use a Redding Pro Micrometer seating die and experienced no marking issues with either profile...... HTHs Edited November 3, 2021 by HOGRIDER sp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 I’ve found the same with my XDM, the FN will load longer. I just got some 147 FN blues to try and so far they shoot pretty good. I can load them from 1.135-1.125 as max in the lands is 1.145 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 You could try this with the seating stem. https://www.uniquetek.com/store/696296/uploaded/Bullet_Seating_Stem_Customization.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuz Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Did Blue say why they changed their profile? Seems like that’s a big decision to make, there must be a reason. And, if your having issues, then you would think a lot of others using the Dillon seating die would also start having similar problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoatMumbler Posted November 3, 2021 Author Share Posted November 3, 2021 I've sent BB an email asking these questions. Also, the old profile RN projectile picture is STILL shown on their sale page as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 You need a different seating die. I believe BB changed the profiles of their RN's bullets in a attempt to let people load longer OAL. Lots of people complain about needing to load short with their older fatter RN's. I haven't ordered bullets in almost a year so I haven't tried these new profiles myself yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwenning Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 I had the exact same issue with them and the Dillon seating die. Between that and the fact that they didn't play well with the mr. bullet feeder, I wound up selling them. I'm sure I could have figured out how to make them run in the bullet feeder and bought a new seating die but is wasn't worth it with other bullet options available. Even with the blemish they did feed and shoot fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoatMumbler Posted November 3, 2021 Author Share Posted November 3, 2021 8 hours ago, RePete said: You could try this with the seating stem. https://www.uniquetek.com/store/696296/uploaded/Bullet_Seating_Stem_Customization.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoatMumbler Posted November 3, 2021 Author Share Posted November 3, 2021 Might have to try that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt222 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) These new RN profiles do not play well with the Dillon seating die. Pull the Dillon seating die apart and you will see that the die is setting the RN bullet off the very tip of the bullet. This damages the tip of some plated and coated bullets. I went to a Redding comp seating die. Problem solved. Edited November 4, 2021 by Dirt222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Since seeing this post I've talked to a few people and it seems this is a common theme with people using Dillion dies. Guys like myself not using Dillion aren't seeing this. All the guys getting this ring haven't made any changes to there set up because they figured it's not really hurting anything. It'd probably bug me so I'd recommend a new die, or new seating stem as linked above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balmo Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Same goes with their 125's. Good thing I noticed the profile before doing a batch run. I emailed BB and they told me that they did change their mold and will not come back to their old profile. I use Lee sizing and there's no problem with the profile change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuz Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Did they say why they changed their profile? There must be a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Cuz said: Did they say why they changed their profile? There must be a reason. Yes. It was covered above. A more agressive taper on the bullet moves the ogive back: their new bullets let you load longer and still fit them into a gun like a Gen 5 Glock or a Shadow 2. Edited November 5, 2021 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHI Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) Molds were out . So if your customers are asking for a different profile. That's the time to replace the molds. This is what has happen. Also son smurf is shooting a cz now. Not good for the owners son not to use your bullets. Edited November 5, 2021 by AHI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOGRIDER Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, AHI said: Molds were out . So if your customers are asking for a different profile. That's the time to replace the molds. This is what has happen. Also sun smurf is shooting a cz now. Not good for the owners sun not to use your bullets. @AHI Good point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister4 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) I load the blue 147 TC, Redding seating die, 1.110 oal works well, no issues Edited November 5, 2021 by Sinister4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy9 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) Here are pics of mine. The finish on my new ones is jus fine and i didn't have any issues through my press, a Dillan 550 with Dillan carbide dies (about 20k through the press). Also I have used them in 2 matches and all is fine. There new boxes are cool! Edited November 5, 2021 by Andy9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36873687 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 This is a positive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoatMumbler Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 BB was very responsive to my questions about this. The reason for the mold change was their molds were wearing out and their vender for new ones was 1-2 years out. They have had some customers using the RN claiming they needed shorter OAL to cycle (Tangfo) like 1.09 or shorter and there is no load data shorter than that. Since they were going to have to design their own cutter for a new mold they decided to change the profile to help these customers. Using a Dillon seating die with the RN seating stem the nose of the new design doesn't allow the ogive of the bullet to contact the stem and instead contacts at the nose. Here's how I fixed that problem with a Dillon die. The Dillon seating stem has a hole in it. I started drilling that hole out a few 1/1000ths at a time on my drill press and seating a bullet. After sneaking up on it after about 8-10 tries the circular dimple went away at about .196 or 7/32. No need to buy another die. Dillon also said they would update their website pic to reflect the new profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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