Primers not seating properly S1050

[mstamper]

Did a reload session yesterday and I had 17 primers / rounds not load properly out of a run of 400 primers.

The primers were either crushed in the Primer slide on my s1050 or were seated oddly in the primer pocket.

When the primers are crushed in the slide it leave primer paste in the slide and jams the press. I have to empty all the stations and pull the white primer guard to pull the damaged primer. 

I cleaned the primer shuttle and the channel it slides on in the press and after a few rounds it did the same thing. I checked the primer tube tip and it is fine. 

The lever that moves the shuttle appears to be fine especially since I got the majority of rounds loaded properly. 

 

any thoughts on what I need to look at to fix this?

Primers are too expensive right now to have this level of failure to load properly

Edited October 25, 2020 by mstamper

[RangerTrace]

If I don't keep my primer area super clean, this will happen and lock the press up.  I've started blowing my press off with compressed air, every 500 rounds or so and it seems to prevent this.  

[Jmo2011]

I have had some rounds look like that before but when it happened the press bound up decapping a piece of brass, I found my decapping pin was bent. I chalked it up to the vibration moving the primer out of position at the exact time it’s being seated. 

[noylj]

God, never seen anything like that with my 1050s.

The primer system must be free moving/floating and clean. I know that is you over tighten the lock collar, you can damage the plastic primer tube tip, but I haven't seen THAT.

I would call Dillon.

Actually, I would pack the press up and go visit the Dillon store.

[mstamper]

1 minute ago, noylj said:

God, never seen anything like that with my 1050s.

The primer system must be free moving/floating and clean. I know that is you over tighten the lock collar, you can damage the plastic primer tube tip, but I haven't seen THAT.

I would call Dillon.

Actually, I would pack the press up and go visit the Dillon store.

While a trip to Dillon would be a fun adventure, living in Atlanta, and still having to work for a living, that is really not an option. 

[mstamper]

3 minutes ago, Jmo2011 said:

I have had some rounds look like that before but when it happened the press bound up decapping a piece of brass, I found my decapping pin was bent. I chalked it up to the vibration moving the primer out of position at the exact time it’s being seated. 

I get all my brass already deprimed, roll-sized, and wet tumbled. Decapping is really not an issue. The press is very securely mounted to the bench and the bench is anchored to the walls of the reloading area into the studs. 

[Jmo2011]

Is all the brass FC NT?

[mstamper]

5 minutes ago, Jmo2011 said:

Is all the brass FC NT?

most of the primers that did not seat were damaged when attempting to seat. I did not check the head stamp of the ones that did not load properly. The ones pictured were loads that made it all the way through the loading process and were found when case gauging. 

The brass I load is mixed head stamps range brass.

Edited October 25, 2020 by mstamper

[SnipTheDog]

Do  you have a primer pocket go/no go tool like this one?  Large Pocket Gage

 

I'm wondering if your priming plunger isn't getting the pocket to a correct size before inserting the primer in the next station.

[Jmo2011]

If it’s all the same brass I’d check the swage rod adjustment, might have some tight primer pockets. 

[Jim Watson]

I have seen that but not anywhere close to 14/400, not even 14/40000.  

Hard to imagine on preprocessed brass.

Looks like the primers are started straight, then crunched.  I'd check primer pockets, see if I could seat some primers with a hand tool.  

[blindshooter]

I've had some look like that with ringers. Mostly crimped .223 though.

[mvmojo]

Best guess is you're occasionally getting primer pullback on your de-capping pin such that the old primer is being partially pulled back into the primer pocket rather than being ejected.  The swagging station jams the primer deep into the pocket and flattens it.  At the next station, the new primer is being crushed against the old primer that's still left in the primer pocket.

 

If this is the case, the first step is to remover the primer de-capping pin and thoroughly clean the inside of the die.  Also, make sure the de-capping pin is securely tightened in the die.  And, if you feel like you're having to exert an abnormal amount of force on the handle, stop and look at the shell case in the swagging station to make sure there's not a primer left in it.

 

I bought a remote primer catch system https://primercatchers.com/product/primer-catcher-design-dillon-1050/ with a clear tube leading to an old 8 lb powder jug.  I can see the primer being ejected.  If I don't see a primer going down the tube with every pull of the handle, I check the swagging station.  The old primer is  usually about half way inserted in the pocket.  I've found that keeping the de-capping/re-sizing die clean and the primer de-capping pin tight mostly prevents this from happening.

[HOGRIDER]

9 hours ago, mstamper said:

Did a reload session yesterday and I had 17 primers / rounds not load properly out of a run of 400 primers.

The primers were either crushed in the Primer slide on my s1050 or were seated oddly in the primer pocket.

When the primers are crushed in the slide it leave primer paste in the slide and jams the press. I have to empty all the stations and pull the white primer guard to pull the damaged primer. 

I cleaned the primer shuttle and the channel it slides on in the press and after a few rounds it did the same thing. I checked the primer tube tip and it is fine. 

The lever that moves the shuttle appears to be fine especially since I got the majority of rounds loaded properly. 

 

any thoughts on what I need to look at to fix this?

Primers are too expensive right now to have this level of failure to load properly

IIRC, the Federal NT brass all use crimped primers.  I would definitely be checking the pockets of the NT headstamps to see if they are not getting correct swage at Station #3...........

 

These will help identify any questionable brass you may come across:

 

https://ballistictools.com/store/small-and-large-primer-pocket-gauges

 

 

[mstamper]

I did some more diagnosing. 

All the parts are moving correctly. 

I rechecked my swage depth and the Swage tool was not set deep enough.

I adjusted that and ran 500 rounds without an incident.

[RePete]

20 hours ago, blindshooter said:

I've had some look like that with ringers. Mostly crimped .223 though.

 

I've been getting ringers on 9mm Federal, IVI and few others for a couple of years now, as well as some .223.

[Chutist]

I'm having the same issue on my 1050.  I've cleaned and cleaned...then adjusted....then cleaned again!  I finally found the Primer Magazine tip was frayed.  I'd fix it but I can't get ahold of anybody at Dillon.

[Street Survival]

Mstamper, I had the same problem.  Remove the inner tube from where you load the primers, I bet your red plastic tip (45acp) is broken and thus flipping your primers off center.  I changed out the primer magazine tip and everything is working like a well oiled machine.  Good luck.

Edited October 29, 2020 by Street Survival

[Street Survival]

Chutist,  are you loading 45acp?  If so send me your mailing address and I will send you the red tip that you need provided when you get some from Dillon that you send me one back as I only have one spare.

[jstagn]

Those are crimped brass, your swage station should care of that.

[Silver_Surfer]

Ran into this problem before I discovered some of the new LE 40 brass are crimped

 

Note to self. Clean my primer system this weekend. 

[MG08]

I ran into this as well- you hit on the solutions I tried and that worked for me. Inner primer tube tip replacement.  Readjust the swaging rod, and check your brass.  The swaging rod should deal with crimped primers, but I needed to adjust .  Clean is good, and I replaced the primer slide with the new dillon part .  Expensive but it really fixed my priming issues. 

[Chutist]

On 10/28/2020 at 7:42 PM, Street Survival said:

Chutist,  are you loading 45acp?  If so send me your mailing address and I will send you the red tip that you need provided when you get some from Dillon that you send me one back as I only have one spare.

I'm loading 9mm - Small Primer.  Thanks for the offer, I'll keep after Dillon.