VU2AKILL Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 I have been dabbling in the carry ops class with my XDM and am thinking sbout converting my Shadow 2 over to a carry ops gun. I know the rules state that any gun with an external hammer must be started in the hammer down position. Curious what peoples procedures are at the make ready command to get the gun to the hammer down status. Are you guys just manually letting it down (probably) or is there a better and safer way?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) You have to manually decock a CZ or Tanfo, yes. But that doesn’t mean you have to “cowboy” the hammer or pinch it with your weakhand, and hope your grip doesn’t slip. It’s perfectly safe if done correctly. Use your body to block it’s path, rather than trying to restrain it from the rear: Edited June 12, 2019 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrecks Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Yes just use your thumb to lower the hammer slowly, it's not rocket surgery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanb Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 That’s how I do it as well. I feel like there’s more meat in the way and less chance of my sweaty hands losing a grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuvDog Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 I pinch the hammer with my thumb and middle finger and have my index finger blocking the hammer/firing pin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VU2AKILL Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 2 hours ago, MemphisMechanic said: You have to manually decock a CZ or Tanfo, yes. But that doesn’t mean you have to “cowboy” the hammer or pinch it with your weakhand, and hope your grip doesn’t slip. It’s perfectly safe if done correctly. Use your body to block it’s path, rather than trying to restrain it from the rear: This is exactly what I was looking for!! Thank you for taking time to post it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Thumb roll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 done the pinch method solely for 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklab2011 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Left index finger blocking firing pin and roll out. Has worked 100%. First used pinch method, had hammer slip out of fingers in practice on humid day. Which ever way you use if you make conscious effort and don't rush u will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoRivera Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 I do the 'thumb roll'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 On 6/12/2019 at 4:43 PM, rowdyb said: done the pinch method solely for 4 years. No wonder you only have 8.5 fingers left. I was wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 21 hours ago, blacklab2011 said: Which ever way you use if you make conscious effort and don't rush u will be fine. If you can draw the gun at speed without dropping it, reload on the move under time pressure, control the trigger good enough for 20 yard alphas, etc. , then you can sure as heck slowly lower a hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunshrink Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Ok while we are on the topic of hammer down start one more question as a new S2 shooter. The rules say hammer down but does the first shot have to be from hammer down or could you in the draw cock the hammer and have the first shot in SA? I have tried this in practice with no apparent loss of time and no loss of control, but not in a match yet since I don't know if it is legal. Would not do all the time but more on tight first shots where the DA is a little more difficult to control without extensive practice. I know there are some good videos on YouTube about this DA shooting but see this as maybe a plan B if it is necessary? Again is this legal to do? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, gunshrink said: Ok while we are on the topic of hammer down start one more question as a new S2 shooter. The rules say hammer down but does the first shot have to be from hammer down or could you in the draw cock the hammer and have the first shot in SA? I have tried this in practice with no apparent loss of time and no loss of control, but not in a match yet since I don't know if it is legal. Would not do all the time but more on tight first shots where the DA is a little more difficult to control without extensive practice. I know there are some good videos on YouTube about this DA shooting but see this as maybe a plan B if it is necessary? Again is this legal to do? Thanks that was a big deal back in 2003 in the prod rules! hahaha. but yes, you can draw and cock the hammer if you wish after the beep. what is your draw time? to an open target to get an A that is a 1.10 second draw for me with a Shadow 2. i highly doubt i could cock the hammer and still make that time.... now if you have a 1.7 second draw then sure, it wouldn't seem like you lose any time.... Edited June 14, 2019 by rowdyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timido Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 I do the thumb roll. With enough dry fire and real life fire that double action shot is not even noticed. Only time it kind of messes with me is on a draw transfer it to weak side only type classifier. But I am usually a mess on those anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VU2AKILL Posted June 14, 2019 Author Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Timido said: I do the thumb roll. With enough dry fire and real life fire that double action shot is not even noticed. Only time it kind of messes with me is on a draw transfer it to weak side only type classifier. But I am usually a mess on those anyway As am I. Ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stater61 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 (edited) Forgive me, I'm brand new to IDPA, but I thought in ESP you could start "cocked and locked or de-cocked, at the shooters discretion" as per rule 8.2.2.1 in the 2017 IDPA rule book. There may be a revision I don't know about or I'm misunderstanding the interpretation of the rule. JH ETA, I don't know if CO has to follow the rules of ESP or SSP, that would make a difference. Edited June 15, 2019 by stater61 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timido Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 USPSA is hammer down start carry optics and production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stater61 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Timido said: USPSA is hammer down start carry optics and production. Thanks for the clarification, unfortunately I have IDPA on the brain, probably because I've been trying to figure out how to make a Shadow 2 legal for ESP and not having much luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 On 6/14/2019 at 12:30 AM, rowdyb said: that was a big deal back in 2003 in the prod rules! hahaha. but yes, you can draw and cock the hammer if you wish after the beep. what is your draw time? to an open target to get an A that is a 1.10 second draw for me with a Shadow 2. i highly doubt i could cock the hammer and still make that time.... now if you have a 1.7 second draw then sure, it wouldn't seem like you lose any time.... I found that interesting. Do you have the same info for you with a striker gun or a SA gun ? any appreciable difference ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igolfat8 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, stater61 said: Thanks for the clarification, unfortunately I have IDPA on the brain, probably because I've been trying to figure out how to make a Shadow 2 legal for ESP and not having much luck. You will have to shed some weight (1.5 ozs) from your S2 pistol to make the 45 oz weight limit in IDPA. Here is a link to the IDPA CO rules: https://www.idpa.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Carry_Optics_Official_Rules.pdf Edited June 15, 2019 by igolfat8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stater61 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 Yessir, I came to this thread through a search on removing weight from an S2. I didn’t realize the thread was for a USPSA division. I was was wanting to figure out if it was possible to make weight in ESP legally but I’ve about decided it isn’t possible without windows in the slide. If anyone has done it they could post a link or pm me please. I won’t derail the thread any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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