Shadow 2 for Carry Ops-Starting hammer down

[VU2AKILL]

I have been dabbling in the carry ops class with my XDM and am thinking sbout converting my Shadow 2 over to a carry ops gun.  I know the rules state that any gun with an external hammer must be started in the hammer down position.  Curious what peoples procedures are at the make ready command to get the gun to the hammer down status.  Are you guys just manually letting it down (probably) or is there a better and safer way??

[MemphisMechanic]

You have to manually decock a CZ or Tanfo, yes.

 

But that doesn’t mean you have to “cowboy” the hammer or pinch it with your weakhand, and hope your grip doesn’t slip.  

 

It’s perfectly safe if done correctly. Use your body to block it’s path, rather than trying to restrain it from the rear:

 

 

 

Edited June 12, 2019 by MemphisMechanic

[Wrecks]

Yes just use your thumb to lower the hammer slowly, it's not rocket surgery

[Nathanb]

That’s how I do it as well. I feel like there’s more meat in the way and less chance of my sweaty hands losing a grip

[LuvDog]

I pinch the hammer with my thumb and middle finger and have my index finger blocking the hammer/firing pin

[VU2AKILL]

2 hours ago, MemphisMechanic said:

You have to manually decock a CZ or Tanfo, yes.

 

But that doesn’t mean you have to “cowboy” the hammer or pinch it with your weakhand, and hope your grip doesn’t slip.  

 

It’s perfectly safe if done correctly. Use your body to block it’s path, rather than trying to restrain it from the rear:

 

 

 

This is exactly what I was looking for!!  Thank you for taking time to post it.

[zombywoof]

Thumb roll

[rowdyb]

done the pinch method solely for 4 years.

[blacklab2011]

Left index finger blocking firing pin and roll out.  Has worked 100%.  First used pinch method, had hammer slip out of fingers in practice on humid day.  Which ever way you use if you make conscious effort and don't rush u will be fine.

[MoRivera]

I do the 'thumb roll'.

[MemphisMechanic]

On 6/12/2019 at 4:43 PM, rowdyb said:

done the pinch method solely for 4 years.

 

No wonder you only have 8.5 fingers left. I was wondering.

[IHAVEGAS]

21 hours ago, blacklab2011 said:

Which ever way you use if you make conscious effort and don't rush u will be fine.

 

If you can draw the gun at speed without dropping it, reload on the move under time pressure, control the trigger good enough for 20 yard alphas, etc. , then you can sure as heck slowly lower a hammer. 

 

[gunshrink]

Ok while we are on the topic of hammer down start one more question as a new S2 shooter. The rules say hammer down but does the first shot have to be from hammer down or could you in the draw cock the hammer and have the first shot in SA? I have tried this in practice with no apparent loss of time and no loss of control, but not in a match yet since I don't know if it is legal. Would not do all the time but more on tight first shots where the DA is a little more difficult to control without extensive practice. I know there are some good videos on YouTube about this DA shooting but see this as maybe a plan B if it is necessary? Again is this legal to do?

 

Thanks

[rowdyb]

2 hours ago, gunshrink said:

Ok while we are on the topic of hammer down start one more question as a new S2 shooter. The rules say hammer down but does the first shot have to be from hammer down or could you in the draw cock the hammer and have the first shot in SA? I have tried this in practice with no apparent loss of time and no loss of control, but not in a match yet since I don't know if it is legal. Would not do all the time but more on tight first shots where the DA is a little more difficult to control without extensive practice. I know there are some good videos on YouTube about this DA shooting but see this as maybe a plan B if it is necessary? Again is this legal to do?

 

Thanks

that was a big deal back in 2003 in the prod rules! hahaha. but yes, you can draw and cock the hammer if you wish after the beep.

 

what is your draw time? to an open target to get an A that is a 1.10 second draw for me with a Shadow 2. i highly doubt i could cock the hammer and still make that time.... now if you have a 1.7 second draw then sure, it wouldn't seem like you lose any time....

Edited June 14, 2019 by rowdyb

[Timido]

I do the thumb roll.  With enough dry fire and real life fire that double action shot is not even noticed.  Only time it kind of messes with me is on a draw transfer it to weak side only type classifier.  But I am usually a mess on those anyway

[VU2AKILL]

2 hours ago, Timido said:

I do the thumb roll.  With enough dry fire and real life fire that double action shot is not even noticed.  Only time it kind of messes with me is on a draw transfer it to weak side only type classifier.  But I am usually a mess on those anyway

As am I.  Ha ha

[stater61]

Forgive me, I'm brand new to IDPA, but I thought in ESP you could start "cocked and locked or de-cocked, at the shooters discretion" as per rule 8.2.2.1 in the 2017 IDPA rule book.

There may be a revision I don't know about or I'm misunderstanding the interpretation of the rule. 

JH

 

ETA, I don't know if CO has to follow the rules of ESP or SSP, that would make a difference. 

Edited June 15, 2019 by stater61

[Timido]

USPSA is hammer down start carry optics and production.   

[stater61]

3 minutes ago, Timido said:

USPSA is hammer down start carry optics and production.   

 Thanks for the clarification, unfortunately I have IDPA on the brain, probably because I've been trying to figure out how to make a Shadow 2 legal for ESP and not having much luck.

[Joe4d]

On 6/14/2019 at 12:30 AM, rowdyb said:

that was a big deal back in 2003 in the prod rules! hahaha. but yes, you can draw and cock the hammer if you wish after the beep.

 

what is your draw time? to an open target to get an A that is a 1.10 second draw for me with a Shadow 2. i highly doubt i could cock the hammer and still make that time.... now if you have a 1.7 second draw then sure, it wouldn't seem like you lose any time....

I found that interesting. Do you have the same info for you with a striker gun or a SA gun ? any appreciable difference ?

[igolfat8]

20 hours ago, stater61 said:

 Thanks for the clarification, unfortunately I have IDPA on the brain, probably because I've been trying to figure out how to make a Shadow 2 legal for ESP and not having much luck.

You will have to shed some weight (1.5 ozs) from your S2 pistol to make the 45 oz weight limit in IDPA. Here is a link to the IDPA CO rules: https://www.idpa.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Carry_Optics_Official_Rules.pdf

Edited June 15, 2019 by igolfat8

[stater61]

Yessir, I came to this thread through a search on removing weight from an S2. I didn’t realize the thread was for a USPSA division. 

 

I was was wanting to figure out if it was possible to make weight in ESP legally but I’ve about decided it isn’t possible without windows in the slide. If anyone has done it they could post a link or pm me please. I won’t derail the thread any further.