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1 hour ago, elguapo said:

 

Do you have any idea why USPSA makes it so hard to go down in class?  As far as I'm concerned, one's classification should float and it should be whatever the average of your last six classifiers is (with the caveat of outliers thrown out per the current rulebook).

 

Because people like getting a participation ribbon and keeping it. If the classification system was based on a floating average of your classifier stage and major match performance then there would be a lot more people quitting the sport. They would achieve their desired classification then stop attending because they want to keep their desired "Participation Ribbon".

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Classification system should be eliminated. 

 

"Participation ribbons" add way too much hassle to the sport.

 

You win the match, good.  You don't, go practice some more.

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1 minute ago, Big Guy said:

Classification system should be eliminated. 

 

"Participation ribbons" add way too much hassle to the sport.

 

You win the match, good.  You don't, go practice some more.

Eliminating the Classification system would instantly nuke a large portion of the membership as they use the classification system as their only method to track their skill level. Take away the measuring stick and they will find another sport to play in.

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Not to mention all that lost revenue to the HQ. $1.50 lost on the classifier itself per shooter. Cuts their activity revenue in half or more.

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1 hour ago, CHA-LEE said:

Eliminating the Classification system would instantly nuke a large portion of the membership as they use the classification system as their only method to track their skill level. Take away the measuring stick and they will find another sport to play in.

 

I understand and agree with the concept of tracking progress.  My point is not to eliminate the classification process, but to eliminate the various classes within the classification system.

 

Any shooter can track whether they improve or not based on a general calcification percentage (say whether 40 or 75% of the associated hit factor).   There is no real need to give a shooter an award for A, B, C, or whatever in order to make them feel good a night because they won their class.  We all know that whoever wins a class in a major match definitively shoots well above his classification.

 

As for the $1.50, that will still be charged for shooting the classifiers.

 

 

 

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55 minutes ago, Big Guy said:

 

I understand and agree with the concept of tracking progress.  My point is not to eliminate the classification process, but to eliminate the various classes within the classification system.

 

Any shooter can track whether they improve or not based on a general calcification percentage (say whether 40 or 75% of the associated hit factor).   There is no real need to give a shooter an award for A, B, C, or whatever in order to make them feel good a night because they won their class.  We all know that whoever wins a class in a major match definitively shoots well above his classification.

 

As for the $1.50, that will still be charged for shooting the classifiers.

 

 

 

I fully understand where you are coming from and agree with your stance. The problem is that the vast majority of the members within USPSA don't feel the same way about it. They want a Classification level as a reward to their efforts. If you think about it in the big picture, the classification system is a genius idea for keeping the average weekend warrior engaged to strive for the next level of classification while also filling the USPSA bank accounts with a serious amount of cash.

 

Ask your average local match attending USPSA shooter what their primary practical shooting performance goal is. The vast majority of them will immediately respond with wanting to achieve a specific classification level. They usually don't have a focused strategy or plan on how to achieve that goal. They think that simply attending matches and practicing in any haphazard manner is going to magically allow them to obtain their classification goal. If we decommissioned the classification system all of these shooters would have zero motivation to get better because there isn't a predefined "Measuring Stick" for them to strive for. Zero motivation would result in finding other more entertaining or rewarding hobbies to participate in.  

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5 hours ago, CHA-LEE said:

 

Because people like getting a participation ribbon and keeping it. If the classification system was based on a floating average of your classifier stage and major match performance then there would be a lot more people quitting the sport. They would achieve their desired classification then stop attending because they want to keep their desired "Participation Ribbon".

 

I've heard that argument before in sporting clays and no one in that sport who claims this debacle will happen can provide any evidence to support their position.  It's always "I think" or "I know" or "I feel" or "it's human nature"

 

I bet USPSA is the same way

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4 hours ago, Big Guy said:

 

I understand and agree with the concept of tracking progress.  My point is not to eliminate the classification process, but to eliminate the various classes within the classification system.

 

Any shooter can track whether they improve or not based on a general calcification percentage (say whether 40 or 75% of the associated hit factor).   There is no real need to give a shooter an award for A, B, C, or whatever in order to make them feel good a night because they won their class.  We all know that whoever wins a class in a major match definitively shoots well above his classification.

 

If you are going to track a moving average of each member's classifiers, you might as well lump them into classes. It may not add anything profound to the sport, it does make it simpler to understand your progress and compare yourself to your fellow competitors. It also makes it a more rewarding experience to hit an officially marked threshold in the sport like making B class vs deciding for yourself that 60% is a big milestone for you, and that is very beneficial to keeping people engaged. These might be meaningless to some people who are able to entirely self motivate, but even if they are meaningless to you it's damn near impossible to make a case that it has a negative impact on the sport. 

 

I definitely think it is funny when someone brags about being the top of their class because what they are really saying is that they are either (a) sandbagging or (b) aren't good enough to make the next class. That being said I do think the practice is no different than giving trophies/prizes in any other tiered sport. The team that wins the G League still gets a trophy even though it's not the NBA championship; we just happen to be in a sport where all of the leagues are competing in the same event. It helps keep things competitive up and down the ranks. 

 

If you got rid of the classes but kept percentages, would you count every single classifier or throw out low scores like the current system? 

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On ‎4‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 10:33 PM, Smithcity said:

Forgive me if im wrong but I do not think GMs are better than roughly 95% of other members at classifiers. Rather, GMs are within 5% of the designated 100% high hit factor. As such it was my understanding that somewhere between 1-2% of uspsa members achieve the GM designation. Remember, many GMs hold a card in multiple divisions. The number of unique GMs is less than the number of GM percentages in the sport across divisions I.e. right now its the 1-2%, it could grow to 6%, or shrink to 1% or less. Your percentage is not relative to the rest of the sport, and it is not a percential relative to all other shooters, it is a percential of the highest hit factor.

 

Or im completely wrong....

You're probably completely right, and I did say "roughly."

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Here’s what I know about making GM, it takes a lot of practice and focused work and the individuals who achieve it deserve the recognition. Two thumbs up to all who have achieved the classification!!!

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On 3/29/2019 at 2:29 PM, Maximis228 said:

 

Lake Zurich. Im the MD at MISS in McHenry.

🤣 Hi Max. Should've checked your profile. lol

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