UpYoursPal Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 I really hate carrying around paperclips for disassembling my 2011, and have been looking into getting one of the Dawson tool-less guide rods. However, the listings for the bull barrel version say that they're for un-compensated guns. Is there a model that's meant for open guns? I just want to make sure I have everything correct before I drop $70+ on something that doesn't work. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fo0 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) STI list the Dawson Precision Tool-Less Guide Rod in their open guns ? Edited September 19, 2018 by Fo0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niroth81 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 The Dawson units do indeed fit. However you need to have the bottom of the comp releived so it doesn't smash up the end of the guide rod. I don't have a pic handy but can post one later unless someone else gets to it first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 If you are worried about it, call Dawson. I run them in my 2011 Open guns without problem. About the only problem you may run into is comp clearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkheard Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 You can also use the original reverse plug from your open gun instead of the Dawson plug. You do have to be careful with it. Too much of a bump, and the tool-less guide rod will get released. Don’t ask me how I know.But, you don’t have to mess with your comp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36873687 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Run em in two of my open guns. Bull barrel version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeski Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I have them in both my DVC Open and Atlas Chaos. In fact they both came standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganbillJ Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Run them in every gun I have. Only setup worth running IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpYoursPal Posted September 20, 2018 Author Share Posted September 20, 2018 Thanks guys. My comp does have a relief cut in the bottom so it should be okay. I went ahead and ordered the bull barrel version, so let’s hope that this works! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Hmmmm. Paper clip or $70+ ???? I'll have to think about that a while …. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 41 minutes ago, Hi-Power Jack said: Hmmmm. Paper clip or $70+ ???? I'll have to think about that a while …. But, when you're at the safe table with limited time and drop that paper clip in the grass suddenly it seems worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 28 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said: But, when you're at the safe table with limited time and drop that paper clip in the grass suddenly it seems worth it. You can always carry 12 paper clips, all in different places, just in case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highhope Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 not like toolless guide rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadyscott999 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I super glued a rare earth magnet to the inside lid of my little tool kit I carry in my range bag. I have about 10 pre bent paper clips stuck there. I have always like the idea of the dawson guide rod but the experienced me says it's just one more thing to cause issues so I don't use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Shadyscott999 said: I super glued a rare earth magnet to the inside lid of my little tool kit I carry in my range bag. I have about 10 pre bent paper clips stuck there. Great solution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I have a lot of rounds down range using them, without any problems. I even use a bushing version on my bullseye 1911 so i can change uppers on it more easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximis228 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Shot lots of rounds on lots of different guns with them installed. Never had issues. Would be cool if they came out with a tungsten version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) Why do guide rod, spring, and reverse plug need to remain as one unit when you disassemble? (the only sorta 1911 I've been disassembling and assembling is a New Detonics. There, the double springs stay with the full length guide rod, but the reverse plug is kept as a separate part.) Edited September 20, 2018 by perttime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 2 hours ago, perttime said: Why do guide rod, spring, and reverse plug need to remain as one unit when you disassemble? They don't Have To, but spring under lots of pressure, and iff it goes, it's a big time pain. Lot easier to take a $ 0.02 paper clip in the tiny little hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) My .45 doesn't feel like there's all that much tension when the slide is forward. When I remove or install the slide, I can easily control the spring and guide rod with one hand. Maybe it is the double spring, or something else that the New Detonics people did differently? It is a bull barrel government size .45 and there's no hole through the guide rod. Edited September 20, 2018 by perttime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 In my many years of shooting open I had two malfunctions: broken Aftek extractor and dead red dot. I am just not sure why would I need to take the spring with rod out at a match? I carry a backup gun, which is a near carbon copy of the main one. So far I had to use once, but it was nice - level 3 match with 3 stages remaining. Seriously - why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Foxbat said: I am not sure why would I need to take the spring with rod out at a match? I carry a backup gun ^^^^^^^^^^^ Yeah, that's what I meant to say ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niroth81 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Because a a few hundred dollars in spare parts is cheaper than a backup gun? The tool less guide rod is a nice piece of gear and makes it easy and quick to get the top end off for cleaning, fixing minor issues etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opengundvc Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Got the Dawson tooless in my open gun.. so easy to use and never have to worry about chasing a paper clip.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 14 hours ago, niroth81 said: Because a a few hundred dollars in spare parts is cheaper than a backup gun? The tool less guide rod is a nice piece of gear and makes it easy and quick to get the top end off for cleaning, fixing minor issues etc. Not really trying to be argumentative, but what minor issues with top end might crop there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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