DocMedic Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 (edited) Looks like IDPA is going to recognise PCC in 2017 with some rules. Min: 10" barrel 10rnd max limit Edited November 16, 2016 by DocMedic Link to comment
MarkS_A18138 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 of course it is, Bill Wilson makes PCC rifles DUH! Link to comment
Nathanb Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Min 10 inch barrel? Lol. they might as wel say minimum 14 inch barrels. It's a pistol caliber all the sbr guns are running shorties Link to comment
Southpaw Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Congrats IDPA, you found a way to make PCC lame Link to comment
MemphisMechanic Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Oh, it already was. Link to comment
mwx40x40 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 2 hours ago, MemphisMechanic said: Oh, it already was. ??? Link to comment
apetrulis01 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 10 round limit. Not many people are going to shoot this division. Adam Link to comment
RangerTrace Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 How do you fit it under your vest?? Link to comment
v1911 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, RangerTrace said: How do you fit it under your vest?? Trench coat mafia! Link to comment
dcloudy777 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 10" barrel length minimum + 10 round mag limit = IDPA just wanting to be able to say "we tried PCC and nobody shot it!" Just like IDPA multigun. Link to comment
v1911 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I'm not a fan of either restrictions, but with their revision of legal reloads, the 10 rounds mag thing isn't as annoying as the 10" barrel minimum. Link to comment
Marshal82 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 The issue with PCC and IDPA, behinds the hindering 10 round limit (LAME). Is using cover, as a right handed shooter, it would be nearly impossible to shoot around the left side of a barricade without switching to my left shoulder. Link to comment
bmiller Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 29 minutes ago, Marshal82 said: The issue with PCC and IDPA, behinds the hindering 10 round limit (LAME). Is using cover, as a right handed shooter, it would be nearly impossible to shoot around the left side of a barricade without switching to my left shoulder. I don't shoot idpa anymore, but I was talking to a friend who does, he said idpa is replacing cover with things that look like fault lines that are officially not called fault lines. Not sure if that is true. In quite a few of the USPSA pcc events I have shot, I have definitely had to shoot weak shoulder to get hits. I think it will be a critical skill. Link to comment
jrswanson1 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 2 hours ago, Marshal82 said: The issue with PCC and IDPA, behinds the hindering 10 round limit (LAME). Is using cover, as a right handed shooter, it would be nearly impossible to shoot around the left side of a barricade without switching to my left shoulder. Guess it's time to learn something new. 3-Gunners have had to do this for years. Link to comment
lsystems Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Yes ... IDPA keeps fixing the rules until they have finally broken the sport. PCC has no place in IDPA and as a match director and stage designer, our club has no plans to include it. We frequently shoot from vehicles and we commonly require a start with the firearm in a holster under the dash or from the glove box. How about strong hand/weak hand shooting? Shooting from close retention? What kind of concealment do you need for a carbine? It's difficult enough designing stages that don't too severely impact revolver shooters, but with PCC every stage will have to be designed around it. I'm all for PCC as a side match or a two gun competition but there's just no way to mix and match pistols and carbines in a normal IDPA stage. Link to comment
DocMedic Posted November 19, 2016 Author Share Posted November 19, 2016 Boy... 10 inches doesn't give you a lot of room. I barely made it on my MPX with the lantic dragon break. No way would it made it with the stock birdcage. Link to comment
IntenseImage Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Boy... 10 inches doesn't give you a lot of room. I barely made it on my MPX with the lantic dragon break. No way would it made it with the stock birdcage.That's if they count muzzle devices on that measurement Link to comment
MickB Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Does that Lantac do anything to minimize muzzle rise vs the bird cage? Mick Link to comment
MedicineMan Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 On 11/18/2016 at 6:38 PM, lsystems said: Yes ... IDPA keeps fixing the rules until they have finally broken the sport. PCC has no place in IDPA and as a match director and stage designer, our club has no plans to include it. We frequently shoot from vehicles and we commonly require a start with the firearm in a holster under the dash or from the glove box. How about strong hand/weak hand shooting? Shooting from close retention? What kind of concealment do you need for a carbine? It's difficult enough designing stages that don't too severely impact revolver shooters, but with PCC every stage will have to be designed around it. I'm all for PCC as a side match or a two gun competition but there's just no way to mix and match pistols and carbines in a normal IDPA stage. What about home defense? IDPA is about defensive scenarios which would include in a vehicle, in a boat, on the street away from home and probably very likely defending your home. A short barrel carbine makes sense for in home use. I am not particularly for or against, just saying. Link to comment
jrswanson1 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 1 hour ago, MedicineMan said: What about home defense? IDPA is about defensive scenarios which would include in a vehicle, in a boat, on the street away from home and probably very likely defending your home. A short barrel carbine makes sense for in home use. I am not particularly for or against, just saying. None of you have a truck rifle? Link to comment
MedicineMan Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 30 minutes ago, jrswanson1 said: None of you have a truck rifle? yeah, i thought the idea of a handgun was to fight your way to a real gun, shotgun or rifle. Link to comment
MemphisMechanic Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 1 hour ago, MedicineMan said: yeah, i thought the idea of a handgun was to fight your way to a real gun, shotgun or rifle. The idea behind a handgun is to win matches. IDPA is a sport pretending to be defensive shooting. Remember? Link to comment
MemphisMechanic Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 On 11/17/2016 at 7:13 AM, Marshal82 said: ...it would be nearly impossible to shoot around the left side of a barricade without switching to my left shoulder. Just like you're required to do in 3-gun, USPSA Multigun, and USPSA PCC? A righty shooting around the left side of a wall of his left shoulder is a very common weapons-handling skill. That's why there are 327 videos on YouTube dedicated to it. Link to comment
jrswanson1 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 28 minutes ago, MemphisMechanic said: The idea behind a handgun is to win matches. IDPA is a sport pretending to be defensive shooting. Remember? Would you rather defend yourself with a pistol or a carbine? Link to comment
Gary Stevens Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Depends. Five feet, pistol. One hundred feet, carbine (if it was readily available). Link to comment
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