EatsEverything Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 By some accounts the SP-01 ACCU Shadow was the top of the line CZ Custom offering that was Production-approved. Now we have the CTS LS-P contending for that spot. They share a lot of features on paper, though there are a few notable differences: ACCU Shadow CZ 75 SP-01 Style Full Dust Cover Shadow Slide CZC Barrel Bushing and Reverse Plug 3.0-4.0# SA, 8.0-9.0# DA CTS LS-P CZ 75 SA Style Short Dust Cover Tactical Sports Slide 3.1-3.5# SA, 7.5-8.5# DA What kind of differences in performance would you expect? Does the barrel bushing make that much of a difference? Does this basically come down to personal preference with regard to the heavier slide or the heavier dust cover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quack Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I'm fighting the urge to buy a CTS LS-P as I already have an AS, but may still end up getting one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGus Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Has the CTS LS-P been Production approved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huskerlrrp Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Has the CTS LS-P been Production approved? Absofrickenlutely.....if you believe the internet. http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-NROI-production-gunlist.php "CZ 75 CTS LSP (42.1 oz.)" http://czcustom.com/cz75shadowls-pblk.aspx These bastards at CZ Custom just want to take my fun money. Now if I can just exercise some self control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quack Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) Has the CTS LS-P been Production approved?Yes. Stuart posted it in the CZ Custom forum in the vendors tent.http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=215944 Edited June 1, 2015 by Quack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
himurax13 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 If both guns are equipped with the same triggers, hammers, and mainsprings, the trigger pull weights should be similar. I doubt the Acu bushing will make much of a difference within the distances shot during USPSA matches. Yes. I have 2 SP01 Shadows and I am reconfiguring my CTS LS into a production gun. I think the slight advantage might go to the LS since you can use less powder which in turn means you can run a lighter recoil spring. It is too early to tell though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haraise Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Any plan for the CTS LS-P to go Accubushing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quack Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Any plan for the CTS LS-P to go Accubushing?It probably can be done, but won't be production legal, unless they make 2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneBray Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 IMO you can make GM and win major competitions with a standard SP01, 75B, or 85 Combat. These pistols are accurate and reliable enough to win. Put good sights on one of these, and get the trigger work done. Spend the savings in $ on training, strength and aerobic conditioning, practice, ammo and ammo supplies, match fees, and travel. That said, the high end pistols are certainly improvements (although I think small incremental improvement) over lower priced pistols. I would much rather compete and win with an SP01 that is worn and beat up from practice and competition, than lose with the latest and greatest new pistol that costs twice as much. It is the pistol operator that is the single biggest variable in match performance. If my memory is correct, Dave Sevigny was winning Production Nationals with a basically stock Glock several years ago. Also, I seem to recall someone winning with a Beretta 92 (I think), several years ago. Would I like to own one of the newer pistols from CZ Custom? Heck yes!! Will the "latest and greatest" equipment, move me from B to A, or A or M, or M to GM? No. Only hard work, training, and practice on my part will do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtturn Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I frankly don't see the appeal of the LS-P. I'd rather have the Accu-Shadow, or better yet, a production Tac Sport with DA/SA trigger. But what do I know, I'm just a Glockophile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon49erfan Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I frankly don't see the appeal of the LS-P. I'd rather have the Accu-Shadow, or better yet, a production Tac Sport with DA/SA trigger. But what do I know, I'm just a Glockophile. I said the same thing and I'm a CZ nut. more weight on the slide, less on the frame? seems backwards to me. if it weighed the same like a g17vs34 it would make way more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tha1000 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I frankly don't see the appeal of the LS-P. I'd rather have the Accu-Shadow, or better yet, a production Tac Sport with DA/SA trigger. But what do I know, I'm just a Glockophile. I said the same thing and I'm a CZ nut. more weight on the slide, less on the frame? seems backwards to me. if it weighed the same like a g17vs34 it would make way more sense. I'd shove all in for a production legal Tac Sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGus Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 IMO you can make GM and win major competitions with a standard SP01, 75B, or 85 Combat. These pistols are accurate and reliable enough to win. Put good sights on one of these, and get the trigger work done. Spend the savings in $ on training, strength and aerobic conditioning, practice, ammo and ammo supplies, match fees, and travel. That said, the high end pistols are certainly improvements (although I think small incremental improvement) over lower priced pistols. I would much rather compete and win with an SP01 that is worn and beat up from practice and competition, than lose with the latest and greatest new pistol that costs twice as much. It is the pistol operator that is the single biggest variable in match performance. If my memory is correct, Dave Sevigny was winning Production Nationals with a basically stock Glock several years ago. Also, I seem to recall someone winning with a Beretta 92 (I think), several years ago. Would I like to own one of the newer pistols from CZ Custom? Heck yes!! Will the "latest and greatest" equipment, move me from B to A, or A or M, or M to GM? No. Only hard work, training, and practice on my part will do that. So, to summarize: Indian > Arrow But I still love shooting my Accu's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatsEverything Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 It's still plenty of fun talking about arrows, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfinney Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Its the Indian, not the Arrow. But I really like nice Bows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 or better yet, a production Tac Sport with DA/SA trigger. Sign me up for two of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Essentially the CTS LS-P is a TS in DA/SA, just a shorter dust cover. It's a TS slide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I really think that the heavy slide will not produce any huge advantages over the other Production legal models. The total weight of all the models are very close but with the bulk of the mass reciprocating now, it will cause more movement with the sights or should theoretically. It's a beautiful gun and I would really like to shoot one before I discredit it but this is just my observation so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tha1000 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Essentially the CTS LS-P is a TS in DA/SA, just a shorter dust cover. It's a TS slide I want the large frame, full dust cover, stock sights, and TS magazines... the CTS LS-P is not that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Essentially the CTS LS-P is a TS in DA/SA, just a shorter dust cover. It's a TS slide I want the large frame, full dust cover, stock sights, and TS magazines... the CTS LS-P is not that. Buy 2000 and you're GTG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomfturner Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I frankly don't see the appeal of the LS-P. I'd rather have the Accu-Shadow, or better yet, a production Tac Sport with DA/SA trigger. But what do I know, I'm just a Glockophile. I said the same thing and I'm a CZ nut. more weight on the slide, less on the frame? seems backwards to me. if it weighed the same like a g17vs34 it would make way more sense. I'd shove all in for a production legal Tac Sport. +1 get CZ or CZC on a production legal Tac Sport. Larger frame and mag well with the longer slide. What's the hold-up on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
himurax13 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I thought the TS was a Singe Action only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quack Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I thought the TS was a Singe Action only.It is. They just have wishful thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfinney Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 It is, but sounds like some would want a DA/SA version...... Would be too heavy for my taste. Heavier than a Stock III? And those are heavy. Can think of a few reasons the small frame version is better.... Aftermarket grip and parts availability Lighter overall Mag availability Reliability ? With short factory 9mm May be a heavier slide, but it's longer sight radius, lighter weight than a TS, and mag availability would sell me. I would love to try one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
himurax13 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 It is, but sounds like some would want a DA/SA version...... Would be too heavy for my taste. Heavier than a Stock III? And those are heavy. Can think of a few reasons the small frame version is better.... Aftermarket grip and parts availability Lighter overall Mag availability Reliability ? With short factory 9mm May be a heavier slide, but it's longer sight radius, lighter weight than a TS, and mag availability would sell me. I would love to try one. CZ75 magazine capability is why I opted for the long slide. The slide itself weighs only an once more than a regular shadow slide and it comes with the LPA dovetails from the factory. With a 10 lb spring, the felt recoil is dramatically reduced. Its a blast to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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